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[+] cole@lemdro.id -13 points 8 months ago (17 children) $500/yr is not that much. people aren't usually paying for these licenses, their employers are. permalink fedilink source hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] blueworld@piefed.world 27 points 8 months ago (11 children) When was the last time you were a student? Also, there is a reason you want students to use your product before hit the work place, as they bring the interest in the product. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id -3 points 8 months ago (10 children) about 2 years ago, why? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 8 months ago (9 children) You make me remember a dude when I was a student who berated others who had cash problems (we all had the same state loans), turns out his parents funneled him 7.000SKR every month on top of what we all got. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id -1 points 8 months ago (8 children) I think it's a little insulting. When I was a student I got Matlab free through my university. At a job, your employer pays for Matlab if they expect you to use it. Frankly, I hate Matlab. But it is silly to act like the cost of an individual license is much of a factor, that cost is so little compared to your salary most companies do not care permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) "got for free" you know your uni is payong for it most likely? with either tuition fees, or even subsidies from those tax payers, in the second case, Matlab is stealing literally the people's money do I have to tell you why this is clearly fucking insane? Do I have to tell you that most universities don't have the fucking budget to pay for corporate slop software that forces lockin into their ecosystem? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id -1 points 8 months ago Hey, you seem to think I actually like this situation - but I don't. I actually fully agree, but the reality is that the original post is not representing anything meaningful for moving people off of Matlab -> Octave. The tweet is over-dramatic and also written by AI. I think it's worth being critical instead of falling into a circle jerk here. Octave has a ways to go before it can kill Matlab. I'd love to see it happen! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago (5 children) "I got it for free" "500€ isn't that much" You're digging that hole you put yourself in deeper. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id -1 points 8 months ago (4 children) Hey, I think you aren't really understanding my stance here. Please see comment https://lemdro.id/comment/22830764 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago (3 children) "Am I out of touch? No, I'm sure it's everyone else." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id 0 points 8 months ago* (2 children) I think it's worth acknowledging that we're in a bubble here. The world outside does not reflect our opinions here in large part. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) You can just say "I don't care about other people", no need yo get fancy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id -1 points 8 months ago no need to be a dick, either permalink fedilink source parent [–] nimpnin@sopuli.xyz 20 points 8 months ago (1 child) people aren’t usually paying for these licenses, their employers are. For the average employee yes, but this disadvantages entrepreneurs, unemployed people who want to develop their skills, independent researchers, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id 1 point 8 months ago agreed! permalink fedilink source parent [–] FrogmanL@piefed.social 4 points 8 months ago* (1 child) You have a point here. It’s not so much the employees are choosing the software. Employers are telling the Employees which software they have invested in. (Edit) Or which service contract they have paid for. Big companies want to have someone they can call when the tool doesn’t work as expected. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id 3 points 8 months ago yeah, I don't think people really understand what I was saying. I love Octave, I hate Matlab. but the price isn't high enough to cause companies to shift in any meaningful way (especially in aerospace). The twitter post feels like an AI written fever dream of Matlab dying (it isn't x, it's y). Grad students have license provided by their university, research lab, or company. Doesn't mean I like it... permalink fedilink source parent [–] marius@feddit.org 4 points 8 months ago Matlab is 900 per year for an individual license. Simulink is 1500 and every toolbox (from which there are more than 100) is another 500. Also thinks like the compiler or parallal processing are toolboxes and not included in the base price. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] blueworld@piefed.world 27 points 8 months ago (11 children) When was the last time you were a student? Also, there is a reason you want students to use your product before hit the work place, as they bring the interest in the product. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id -3 points 8 months ago (10 children) about 2 years ago, why? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 8 months ago (9 children) You make me remember a dude when I was a student who berated others who had cash problems (we all had the same state loans), turns out his parents funneled him 7.000SKR every month on top of what we all got. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id -1 points 8 months ago (8 children) I think it's a little insulting. When I was a student I got Matlab free through my university. At a job, your employer pays for Matlab if they expect you to use it. Frankly, I hate Matlab. But it is silly to act like the cost of an individual license is much of a factor, that cost is so little compared to your salary most companies do not care permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) "got for free" you know your uni is payong for it most likely? with either tuition fees, or even subsidies from those tax payers, in the second case, Matlab is stealing literally the people's money do I have to tell you why this is clearly fucking insane? Do I have to tell you that most universities don't have the fucking budget to pay for corporate slop software that forces lockin into their ecosystem? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id -1 points 8 months ago Hey, you seem to think I actually like this situation - but I don't. I actually fully agree, but the reality is that the original post is not representing anything meaningful for moving people off of Matlab -> Octave. The tweet is over-dramatic and also written by AI. I think it's worth being critical instead of falling into a circle jerk here. Octave has a ways to go before it can kill Matlab. I'd love to see it happen! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago (5 children) "I got it for free" "500€ isn't that much" You're digging that hole you put yourself in deeper. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id -1 points 8 months ago (4 children) Hey, I think you aren't really understanding my stance here. Please see comment https://lemdro.id/comment/22830764 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago (3 children) "Am I out of touch? No, I'm sure it's everyone else." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id 0 points 8 months ago* (2 children) I think it's worth acknowledging that we're in a bubble here. The world outside does not reflect our opinions here in large part. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) You can just say "I don't care about other people", no need yo get fancy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id -1 points 8 months ago no need to be a dick, either permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cole@lemdro.id -3 points 8 months ago (10 children) about 2 years ago, why? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 8 months ago (9 children) You make me remember a dude when I was a student who berated others who had cash problems (we all had the same state loans), turns out his parents funneled him 7.000SKR every month on top of what we all got. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id -1 points 8 months ago (8 children) I think it's a little insulting. When I was a student I got Matlab free through my university. At a job, your employer pays for Matlab if they expect you to use it. Frankly, I hate Matlab. But it is silly to act like the cost of an individual license is much of a factor, that cost is so little compared to your salary most companies do not care permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) "got for free" you know your uni is payong for it most likely? with either tuition fees, or even subsidies from those tax payers, in the second case, Matlab is stealing literally the people's money do I have to tell you why this is clearly fucking insane? Do I have to tell you that most universities don't have the fucking budget to pay for corporate slop software that forces lockin into their ecosystem? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id -1 points 8 months ago Hey, you seem to think I actually like this situation - but I don't. I actually fully agree, but the reality is that the original post is not representing anything meaningful for moving people off of Matlab -> Octave. The tweet is over-dramatic and also written by AI. I think it's worth being critical instead of falling into a circle jerk here. Octave has a ways to go before it can kill Matlab. I'd love to see it happen! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago (5 children) "I got it for free" "500€ isn't that much" You're digging that hole you put yourself in deeper. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id -1 points 8 months ago (4 children) Hey, I think you aren't really understanding my stance here. Please see comment https://lemdro.id/comment/22830764 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago (3 children) "Am I out of touch? No, I'm sure it's everyone else." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id 0 points 8 months ago* (2 children) I think it's worth acknowledging that we're in a bubble here. The world outside does not reflect our opinions here in large part. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) You can just say "I don't care about other people", no need yo get fancy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id -1 points 8 months ago no need to be a dick, either permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 8 months ago (9 children) You make me remember a dude when I was a student who berated others who had cash problems (we all had the same state loans), turns out his parents funneled him 7.000SKR every month on top of what we all got. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id -1 points 8 months ago (8 children) I think it's a little insulting. When I was a student I got Matlab free through my university. At a job, your employer pays for Matlab if they expect you to use it. Frankly, I hate Matlab. But it is silly to act like the cost of an individual license is much of a factor, that cost is so little compared to your salary most companies do not care permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) "got for free" you know your uni is payong for it most likely? with either tuition fees, or even subsidies from those tax payers, in the second case, Matlab is stealing literally the people's money do I have to tell you why this is clearly fucking insane? Do I have to tell you that most universities don't have the fucking budget to pay for corporate slop software that forces lockin into their ecosystem? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id -1 points 8 months ago Hey, you seem to think I actually like this situation - but I don't. I actually fully agree, but the reality is that the original post is not representing anything meaningful for moving people off of Matlab -> Octave. The tweet is over-dramatic and also written by AI. I think it's worth being critical instead of falling into a circle jerk here. Octave has a ways to go before it can kill Matlab. I'd love to see it happen! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago (5 children) "I got it for free" "500€ isn't that much" You're digging that hole you put yourself in deeper. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id -1 points 8 months ago (4 children) Hey, I think you aren't really understanding my stance here. Please see comment https://lemdro.id/comment/22830764 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago (3 children) "Am I out of touch? No, I'm sure it's everyone else." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id 0 points 8 months ago* (2 children) I think it's worth acknowledging that we're in a bubble here. The world outside does not reflect our opinions here in large part. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) You can just say "I don't care about other people", no need yo get fancy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id -1 points 8 months ago no need to be a dick, either permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cole@lemdro.id -1 points 8 months ago (8 children) I think it's a little insulting. When I was a student I got Matlab free through my university. At a job, your employer pays for Matlab if they expect you to use it. Frankly, I hate Matlab. But it is silly to act like the cost of an individual license is much of a factor, that cost is so little compared to your salary most companies do not care permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) "got for free" you know your uni is payong for it most likely? with either tuition fees, or even subsidies from those tax payers, in the second case, Matlab is stealing literally the people's money do I have to tell you why this is clearly fucking insane? Do I have to tell you that most universities don't have the fucking budget to pay for corporate slop software that forces lockin into their ecosystem? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id -1 points 8 months ago Hey, you seem to think I actually like this situation - but I don't. I actually fully agree, but the reality is that the original post is not representing anything meaningful for moving people off of Matlab -> Octave. The tweet is over-dramatic and also written by AI. I think it's worth being critical instead of falling into a circle jerk here. Octave has a ways to go before it can kill Matlab. I'd love to see it happen! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago (5 children) "I got it for free" "500€ isn't that much" You're digging that hole you put yourself in deeper. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id -1 points 8 months ago (4 children) Hey, I think you aren't really understanding my stance here. Please see comment https://lemdro.id/comment/22830764 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago (3 children) "Am I out of touch? No, I'm sure it's everyone else." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id 0 points 8 months ago* (2 children) I think it's worth acknowledging that we're in a bubble here. The world outside does not reflect our opinions here in large part. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) You can just say "I don't care about other people", no need yo get fancy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id -1 points 8 months ago no need to be a dick, either permalink fedilink source parent
[–] protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) "got for free" you know your uni is payong for it most likely? with either tuition fees, or even subsidies from those tax payers, in the second case, Matlab is stealing literally the people's money do I have to tell you why this is clearly fucking insane? Do I have to tell you that most universities don't have the fucking budget to pay for corporate slop software that forces lockin into their ecosystem? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id -1 points 8 months ago Hey, you seem to think I actually like this situation - but I don't. I actually fully agree, but the reality is that the original post is not representing anything meaningful for moving people off of Matlab -> Octave. The tweet is over-dramatic and also written by AI. I think it's worth being critical instead of falling into a circle jerk here. Octave has a ways to go before it can kill Matlab. I'd love to see it happen! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cole@lemdro.id -1 points 8 months ago Hey, you seem to think I actually like this situation - but I don't. I actually fully agree, but the reality is that the original post is not representing anything meaningful for moving people off of Matlab -> Octave. The tweet is over-dramatic and also written by AI. I think it's worth being critical instead of falling into a circle jerk here. Octave has a ways to go before it can kill Matlab. I'd love to see it happen! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago (5 children) "I got it for free" "500€ isn't that much" You're digging that hole you put yourself in deeper. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id -1 points 8 months ago (4 children) Hey, I think you aren't really understanding my stance here. Please see comment https://lemdro.id/comment/22830764 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago (3 children) "Am I out of touch? No, I'm sure it's everyone else." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id 0 points 8 months ago* (2 children) I think it's worth acknowledging that we're in a bubble here. The world outside does not reflect our opinions here in large part. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) You can just say "I don't care about other people", no need yo get fancy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id -1 points 8 months ago no need to be a dick, either permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cole@lemdro.id -1 points 8 months ago (4 children) Hey, I think you aren't really understanding my stance here. Please see comment https://lemdro.id/comment/22830764 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago (3 children) "Am I out of touch? No, I'm sure it's everyone else." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id 0 points 8 months ago* (2 children) I think it's worth acknowledging that we're in a bubble here. The world outside does not reflect our opinions here in large part. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) You can just say "I don't care about other people", no need yo get fancy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id -1 points 8 months ago no need to be a dick, either permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago (3 children) "Am I out of touch? No, I'm sure it's everyone else." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id 0 points 8 months ago* (2 children) I think it's worth acknowledging that we're in a bubble here. The world outside does not reflect our opinions here in large part. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) You can just say "I don't care about other people", no need yo get fancy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id -1 points 8 months ago no need to be a dick, either permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cole@lemdro.id 0 points 8 months ago* (2 children) I think it's worth acknowledging that we're in a bubble here. The world outside does not reflect our opinions here in large part. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) You can just say "I don't care about other people", no need yo get fancy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id -1 points 8 months ago no need to be a dick, either permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) You can just say "I don't care about other people", no need yo get fancy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id -1 points 8 months ago no need to be a dick, either permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cole@lemdro.id -1 points 8 months ago no need to be a dick, either permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nimpnin@sopuli.xyz 20 points 8 months ago (1 child) people aren’t usually paying for these licenses, their employers are. For the average employee yes, but this disadvantages entrepreneurs, unemployed people who want to develop their skills, independent researchers, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id 1 point 8 months ago agreed! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FrogmanL@piefed.social 4 points 8 months ago* (1 child) You have a point here. It’s not so much the employees are choosing the software. Employers are telling the Employees which software they have invested in. (Edit) Or which service contract they have paid for. Big companies want to have someone they can call when the tool doesn’t work as expected. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id 3 points 8 months ago yeah, I don't think people really understand what I was saying. I love Octave, I hate Matlab. but the price isn't high enough to cause companies to shift in any meaningful way (especially in aerospace). The twitter post feels like an AI written fever dream of Matlab dying (it isn't x, it's y). Grad students have license provided by their university, research lab, or company. Doesn't mean I like it... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cole@lemdro.id 3 points 8 months ago yeah, I don't think people really understand what I was saying. I love Octave, I hate Matlab. but the price isn't high enough to cause companies to shift in any meaningful way (especially in aerospace). The twitter post feels like an AI written fever dream of Matlab dying (it isn't x, it's y). Grad students have license provided by their university, research lab, or company. Doesn't mean I like it... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] marius@feddit.org 4 points 8 months ago Matlab is 900 per year for an individual license. Simulink is 1500 and every toolbox (from which there are more than 100) is another 500. Also thinks like the compiler or parallal processing are toolboxes and not included in the base price. permalink fedilink source parent