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That's literally the point. They are trying to goad the Left into screaming Hitler. When we do so, we generally sound hysterical to the centre and independents whom we need.
Donald wins when we're sputtering with rage.
If you've ever been a dick to a younger sibling so they freak out and get in trouble despite technically being in the right, you'll recognise the tactic.
kamala harris said the same thing and so did hillary clinton.
Same with Schumer, Kerry and Gore :(
birds of a feather ...
??? Clinton, one of the most unpopular candidates in history, came within a couple hundred thousand votes.
Harris lost running on massive inflation, in the same wave that saw almost every incumbent government thrown out by historic margins and still came within only a couple of points of trump.
I'd also argue Harris was a bit doomed because of how hard we took the bait last time and screamed HITLER at every provocation. The independents and centrists who watched that and endured a bad but relatively normal presidency learned the lesson that the Left exaggerates and that their warnings are without merit. If we'd "kept our powder dry" maybe we could've convinced them the 6th was as bad as it was but, like my younger sister, we just screamed, took the bait and lost despite being right.
Call it the party who cried HITLER.
axois' reporting on the dnc's attempt to suppress the last election's post mortem investigation and the yougov polls of pro-biden/anti-harris voters have shown us that harris lost 10 million votes because of gaza.
these people were disaffected by the system in the same way that it disaffected clinton's voters despite registered democrats outnumbering registered republicans.
so many are disaffected now that there aren't enough 3rd party voters to make up for the difference.
Imagine biting propaganda so hard that in the name of Palestiniansyou actively made things even worse for them and hundreds of thousands if not millions across the world.
I'd love to see the source on this though because 10 million is a wild number. Harris had 6 million fewer votes than Biden, so somehow losing ten million votes on something that wasn't the top election issue seems like an... Interesting claim.
my brother in christ, it's in the american news and by an american source: https://www.axios.com/2026/02/22/dnc-2024-autopsy-harris-gaza
Homeslice, nothing in there says anything about millions of votes, let alone ten million.
The closest you get would be
There were many net negative issues, like say, inflation and immigration which rated higher in most polling about voter issues etc.
i regret looking into the exact number because HOLY FUCK it's so much worse that i thought!
i was going off of projections from the yougov/imeu poll suggesting roughly 10 million
since then, the democratic think tank named the catalist report did their own investigation and found that it was around 11 million for gaza and 30 million all together.
you have to be part of a democrat party aligned political annalist group to get the report; but american periodicals named the nation and rolling stone did a tldr of these report and there's a deeper dive within the cook political report.
Buddy, unless I'm missing something it looks like you're must be misreading these, linking to the wrong articles, hoping no one reads them or just making the wild assumption that everyone who didn't vote Harris did so because of Gaza.
The Cook political report deep dive literally doesn't mention Gaza or Israel.
try reading the articles:
-- Rolling Stone
and i shared the cook political report to show that the disaffection is bigger than most realize it was; not just gaza alone.
Hombre, remember this was your original position:
If you actually look through the Cook political report, the big issue was men of colour moving to the Right. And if you read the sentences right above the young voters bit in the Rolling Stone article, you'll notice their concerns are not about the perceived silence on Gaza but instead the perception "that Dems cared more about immigrants, trans people and waging war in Ukraine and Gaza than domestic priorities or their daily economic realities." You could sort of maybe disingenuously twist that into Gaza but really, that's clearly about the money being spent for military support instead of economic issues at home.
Again, all of this is far cry from your claim that Gaza cost ten million votes.
the 29% figure isn't hidden in anyway—it's right there on the webpage in plain text. you literally have to scroll past it to miss it:
"29% - Ending Israel’s violence in Gaza"
so either you didn't read the link you're trying to argue about, or you're counting on everyone else not to read it either. which is it? because pretending a number doesn't exist when it's displayed directly on the sources you've asked for is either willful ignorance or straight-up misleading people
Which of your sources has this 29% figure? I read and double checked the rolling stone one albeit on archive.ie so maybe a graphic's not coming through?
Or you meant to send a different source?
this one:
edit: https://www.imeupolicyproject.org/postelection-polling
Lol, okay, now read the other parts there:
29% - Ending Israel’s violence in Gaza 24% - The economy 12% - Medicare and Social Security 11% - Immigration and border security 10% - Healthcare 9% - Abortion policy 5% - Don’t know
In other words, the overwhelming majority of the voters who changed their vote from Biden to someone else were not voting because of Gaza.
An astute reader might note that this lines up pretty closely with what I said way back at the beginning...
I'll also just leave this here for you.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/09/09/issues-and-the-2024-election/
Yet Trump was much worse for Gaza than any of the democrats would have been.
And that wasn't a surprise before the election. Trump was Bibi's buddy the last time he was in power but people conveniently ignored that.
^ this
'Bbbut... My party didnt say they werent Hitler! Ima gonna sit it out until my party fields a candidate that does!'
The American "centre" seems brain-dead to me as a foreigner (well the left is already not very left) because how the fuck can they consider calling these people fascists hysterical, when they clearly are fascists?
They have so many nukes, and we're their vassals (Australia).
Gods help us all.
Their argument would go something like "you screamed this in 2016, but there were still midterms and a presidential election which removed trump from power, fairly unfascist. There will still be midterms and a presidential election this cycle too."
Personally, I think it's too close for comfort but at the same, fair points.