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[–] 61 points 6 months ago (23 children)

Significant white-space is bullshit and i will die on this hill.

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Is there space left on the hill? I want to join you.

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  • [–] 25 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I hear there's significant space left

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago (12 children)
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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Because yaml is not a programming language, and debugging why your whatever you're configuring isn't working correctly can be a nightmare. It doesn't tell you you missed an indent on a block, it just assumes it should be there and changes the meaning.

    Braces are visually clear.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    I think YAML has its fair share of design flaws, but I don't think significant indentation is one of them. It may not be a programming language (which may be debatable), but there are plenty that use syntactic whitespace.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    It's not debatable... You linked to a programming language that uses yaml syntax, that didn't make yaml itself a programming language... It's not.

    And I know there are plenty that use syntactic whitespace, and I hate that about all of them. Literally my only real frustration with python is due to the time of my life wasted debugging perfectly fine logic that fails because a few lines had incorrect indentation.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (8 children)

    Because I am not counting white space when I read. Or should we just write machine code/assembler/pick something straight away?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (7 children)

    Not sure I'm following the jump from significant whitespace to machine code. How are those related?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (6 children)

    Human and machine read differently. If you ignore that (in case with indentation), then why bother with writing human-friendly form of code, when what is going to be really executed is something else?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (5 children)

    If anything, that sounds like an argument in favor of significant indentation, not against it. Humans and machines read differently, yes, which is why we tend to add whitespace and indentation to code even for programming languages where it's not significant. We do that expressly because it makes the code more human-friendly, so it's quite the opposite of ignoring their differences.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (4 children)

    No, it is an argument against it. We indent code so that it is more comfortable to read it, not in order to make it easier to understand

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

    You're mistaken:

    Indentation is a secondary notation that is often intended to lower cognitive load for a programmer to understand the structure of the code.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    Lol. Go on, show me how it is easier to understand structure of the code when I am 3 levels down, first two are already out of sight

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