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Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's "Zionist Bar Problem" (lemmy.zip)

submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by Salamence@lemmy.zip to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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Dbzero Governance Vote Post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728

Ahoy mateys!

A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. ....

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Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. ...

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.

In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.

Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated

i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it

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[-] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 0 points 8 hours ago

So, it's not about "Israelis vs Palestinians", or wider, "Israelis vs Arabs". It's just literally about the establishment of Israel as a nation? That's it?

Explain to me, how are you not a proponent of genocide if you want to eliminate a nation?

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 hour ago

Explain to me, how are you not a proponent of genocide if you want to eliminate a nation?

So anyone who supported the end of Rhodesia or apartheid South Africa was pro genocide.

[-] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 2 points 36 minutes ago

Which countries have partitioned and taken over the land of Rhodesia and South Africa? You can show me on the map.

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 0 points 14 minutes ago

Which countries have partitioned and taken over the land of Rhodesia

Zimbabwe.

and South Africa?

Post-apartheid South Africa.

You can show me on the map.

A map highlighting the two countries mentioned above.

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Explain to me, how are you not a proponent of genocide if you want to eliminate a nation?

Telling that you can't separate a nation that was founded as a settler colony less than 80 years ago from its entire population.

So, it's not about "Israelis vs Palestinians", or wider, "Israelis vs Arabs". It's just literally about the establishment of Israel as a nation? That's it?

It's about colonialism, which is exactly "Israelis" (colonizers) vs. Palestinians (the native people). Again, people like Ben Gurion and Herzl were extremely open about this.

The only one here who is a proponent of genocide is you, because you support colonialism and colonialism is genocidal.

[-] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz -1 points 8 hours ago

Telling that you can’t separate a nation that was founded as a settler colony less than 80 years ago from its entire population.

Why do you consider Israel to be the settler colony, and not Palestine of both peoples were in the exact same situation 80 years ago? Both were living in the region (and spread out all around the world, with a higher percentage of Israelis than Palestinians "roaming") for thousands of years, both nations were established at the exact same time with the exact same resolution. How is only one of them a "settler colony"?

It’s about colonialism, which is exactly “Israelis” (colonizers) vs. Palestinians (the native people)

Again, this is only true if you either ignore all the archaeological and historical evidence we have, or are a fundamentalist extremist who's calling for a genocide. Which are you?

colonialism is genocidal.

That's not how words work, mate.

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

"Israel" is a colony because it was founded by European settlers who OPENLY proclaimed that fact. They gladly and openly bragged that they were displacing and massacring the native Palestinians to colonize the region. All your bullshit about "Israelis" "roaming" is historical revisionism meant to justify the Nakba, which is a genocide. Ashkenazim are Europeans.

Settler colonialism requires the displacement and elimination of at least the vast majority of the native population to succeed, it is genocidal by nature. You are a genocide supporter and a genocide denier.