▲ 1337 ▼ VPN only with ID check in UK? (thelemmy.club) submitted 6 months ago by not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone to c/privacy@lemmy.world 164 comments fedilink hide all child comments https://mastodon.online/@mullvadnet/116087059413472819
[–] wylinka@szmer.info 9 points 6 months ago (12 children) Any examples? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 31 points 6 months ago There's lots of cryptographic type approaches where the entity validating you is air-gapped from the entity certifying your age. But if you don't trust them it's not hard to figure out a scratchcard system where for, say, £1 cash your local newsagent checks your ID and lets you pick a card that you scratch off to get a code that you can then use to obtain a cryptographic token online signed by a recognized CA. Neither the newsagent nor the card issuer have any way of tying you to that code, and if you don't like the idea of using the same token on multiple sites you can always buy more. Of course you'd also have the option of obtaining codes online, but there's something I think people would find reassuring about the existence of a visible physical gap. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (2 children) In my country if you want to buy booze online, you verify your age by logging into this id check service the banks have set up. The bank will only send if the buyer is 18+ or not to the store. So no identification data is send to the store not even the actual age. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 months ago (1 child) You'd have to rely on your country's banks not relaying all info anyway, pinky promise, but it's an interesting model. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ttyybb@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago Banks know your age anyways, so it stops the system from sucking more than it already does permalink fedilink source parent [–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (6 children) Not necessarily the best approach but a widely and officially recognized one: https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/eu-age-verification permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -2 points 6 months ago (5 children) People are using VPNs to circumvent identity verification, so this solves nothing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago Yeah thats why theyre now pushing tmfor verification to allow use of VPNs. Im not techy enough to know how this could actually be enforced, but if they pull it off using a VPN to gain access to a VPN sounds tricky. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (3 children) What does that have to do with this discussion? If you can bypass this EU system, you can also bypass the less private British one. No reason to push the less private one unless age verification is not your true goal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -3 points 6 months ago (2 children) I could ask you the same question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (1 child) You want to ask what does the existence of a widely accepted privacy-preserving solution, while the government is pushing a privacy-destroying one, have to do with the original comment of "the people pushing it being suspicious"? Now you are just trolling. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -1 points 6 months ago Jesus fuck, I'm so tired of this "everyone who disagrees with me or I don't understand is 'trolling'" nonsense. I can't even be bothered to discuss anything further. Goodbye. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 point 6 months ago You could do it with an offline AI model and Python. You download, firewall it, it checks your image and shits out signed text message of your approximate age range and the time. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 31 points 6 months ago There's lots of cryptographic type approaches where the entity validating you is air-gapped from the entity certifying your age. But if you don't trust them it's not hard to figure out a scratchcard system where for, say, £1 cash your local newsagent checks your ID and lets you pick a card that you scratch off to get a code that you can then use to obtain a cryptographic token online signed by a recognized CA. Neither the newsagent nor the card issuer have any way of tying you to that code, and if you don't like the idea of using the same token on multiple sites you can always buy more. Of course you'd also have the option of obtaining codes online, but there's something I think people would find reassuring about the existence of a visible physical gap. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (2 children) In my country if you want to buy booze online, you verify your age by logging into this id check service the banks have set up. The bank will only send if the buyer is 18+ or not to the store. So no identification data is send to the store not even the actual age. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 months ago (1 child) You'd have to rely on your country's banks not relaying all info anyway, pinky promise, but it's an interesting model. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ttyybb@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago Banks know your age anyways, so it stops the system from sucking more than it already does permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 months ago (1 child) You'd have to rely on your country's banks not relaying all info anyway, pinky promise, but it's an interesting model. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ttyybb@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago Banks know your age anyways, so it stops the system from sucking more than it already does permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ttyybb@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago Banks know your age anyways, so it stops the system from sucking more than it already does permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (6 children) Not necessarily the best approach but a widely and officially recognized one: https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/eu-age-verification permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -2 points 6 months ago (5 children) People are using VPNs to circumvent identity verification, so this solves nothing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago Yeah thats why theyre now pushing tmfor verification to allow use of VPNs. Im not techy enough to know how this could actually be enforced, but if they pull it off using a VPN to gain access to a VPN sounds tricky. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (3 children) What does that have to do with this discussion? If you can bypass this EU system, you can also bypass the less private British one. No reason to push the less private one unless age verification is not your true goal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -3 points 6 months ago (2 children) I could ask you the same question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (1 child) You want to ask what does the existence of a widely accepted privacy-preserving solution, while the government is pushing a privacy-destroying one, have to do with the original comment of "the people pushing it being suspicious"? Now you are just trolling. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -1 points 6 months ago Jesus fuck, I'm so tired of this "everyone who disagrees with me or I don't understand is 'trolling'" nonsense. I can't even be bothered to discuss anything further. Goodbye. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] artyom@piefed.social -2 points 6 months ago (5 children) People are using VPNs to circumvent identity verification, so this solves nothing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago Yeah thats why theyre now pushing tmfor verification to allow use of VPNs. Im not techy enough to know how this could actually be enforced, but if they pull it off using a VPN to gain access to a VPN sounds tricky. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (3 children) What does that have to do with this discussion? If you can bypass this EU system, you can also bypass the less private British one. No reason to push the less private one unless age verification is not your true goal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -3 points 6 months ago (2 children) I could ask you the same question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (1 child) You want to ask what does the existence of a widely accepted privacy-preserving solution, while the government is pushing a privacy-destroying one, have to do with the original comment of "the people pushing it being suspicious"? Now you are just trolling. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -1 points 6 months ago Jesus fuck, I'm so tired of this "everyone who disagrees with me or I don't understand is 'trolling'" nonsense. I can't even be bothered to discuss anything further. Goodbye. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago Yeah thats why theyre now pushing tmfor verification to allow use of VPNs. Im not techy enough to know how this could actually be enforced, but if they pull it off using a VPN to gain access to a VPN sounds tricky. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (3 children) What does that have to do with this discussion? If you can bypass this EU system, you can also bypass the less private British one. No reason to push the less private one unless age verification is not your true goal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -3 points 6 months ago (2 children) I could ask you the same question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (1 child) You want to ask what does the existence of a widely accepted privacy-preserving solution, while the government is pushing a privacy-destroying one, have to do with the original comment of "the people pushing it being suspicious"? Now you are just trolling. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -1 points 6 months ago Jesus fuck, I'm so tired of this "everyone who disagrees with me or I don't understand is 'trolling'" nonsense. I can't even be bothered to discuss anything further. Goodbye. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] artyom@piefed.social -3 points 6 months ago (2 children) I could ask you the same question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (1 child) You want to ask what does the existence of a widely accepted privacy-preserving solution, while the government is pushing a privacy-destroying one, have to do with the original comment of "the people pushing it being suspicious"? Now you are just trolling. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -1 points 6 months ago Jesus fuck, I'm so tired of this "everyone who disagrees with me or I don't understand is 'trolling'" nonsense. I can't even be bothered to discuss anything further. Goodbye. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (1 child) You want to ask what does the existence of a widely accepted privacy-preserving solution, while the government is pushing a privacy-destroying one, have to do with the original comment of "the people pushing it being suspicious"? Now you are just trolling. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -1 points 6 months ago Jesus fuck, I'm so tired of this "everyone who disagrees with me or I don't understand is 'trolling'" nonsense. I can't even be bothered to discuss anything further. Goodbye. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] artyom@piefed.social -1 points 6 months ago Jesus fuck, I'm so tired of this "everyone who disagrees with me or I don't understand is 'trolling'" nonsense. I can't even be bothered to discuss anything further. Goodbye. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 point 6 months ago You could do it with an offline AI model and Python. You download, firewall it, it checks your image and shits out signed text message of your approximate age range and the time. permalink fedilink source parent