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Trigger warning - This Epstein stuff is making me sick... (thelemmy.club)
submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by to c/aboringdystopia@lemmy.world
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I have spent hours looking through the files and some of the stories are absolutely disgusting. I am having such a hard time because so many citizens don't even know how awful they get and they aren't all even fully released... I am close to feeling like we need pitchforks, torches and shovels if this justice system won't actually do anything... He had a ranch where a witness wrote in saying there are TWO bodies located on the property and they haven't even reported that in the media. I'll link that one below too. It's just so... Horrible. We can't just pretend this doesn't exist... but idk what happens next for the United States and the world. It's not something a country just moves on from.

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00078198.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA01249507.pdf

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[+] -8 points 7 months ago (35 children)

Because non capitalist, non Western nations don't do anything like this, right? Junko Furata, African child soldiers, South Asian sex trafficking rings, Khmer Rouge....need we go on?

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  • [–] 28 points 7 months ago (32 children)

    I'm fucken sorry, who has the only known example of a global paedophile ring implicating nearly all of its leaders? This is fucking unprecendented. No need to take it personally unless you are a capitalist.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (31 children)

    Most organized crime in every nation practices sex trafficking, rape, prostitution and slavery of one kind or another. From the Yakuza to the Mexican cartels. It is unprecedented, it's simply very visible. If you think Putin and his oligarchs or the Saudi royals, for example, don't have similar organized immorality, then you're naive. Nevermind past eras or horrors like imperial Japan, who stabbed babies in the womb, the Mongols whose torture and rape was historically prolific, the Aztecs human sacrifices, the list goes on and on. Oh and the world wide Catholic Church? The most prolific child sex abusers in known history?

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (17 children)

    None of those are global, and if the saudis are anywhere they're probably also in the files which would just make that part of the same capitalist carnal club. I don't see President Xi, or many non-US aligned leaders in here. Its not you or I, why are you so offended?

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (13 children)

    Competing networks, territorial splits. It's visible in the files that this is a global thing and we see only the tip of an iceberg with one example group

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    Nope, it’s very clear in the files they hated Xi, Castro and communism and spoke of them as explicit deterrents to their operations.

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  • [–] -3 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    They had projects with Castro. Something in the seas. Asia is operated by a different network

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago* (7 children)

    They did not. Where in the files does it say that? There are emails from Epstein celebrating Castro had died because “maybe they could finally start operating in Cuba”…

    You’re just saying shit, we have evidence of a wide network in western capitalist nations, and 0 evidence for the same in China or Cuba.

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    China's media and comms control are still tighter. They got the system structure faster harder than the US is now scrambling to achieve. The collapse will get them all.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Ah so China is better than the US in every way, even in hiding its prolific pedo networks..? The CIA never uncovered any of it? And used it against them? Where’s your evidence?

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    The question is why is this small drip of evidence of only this network shown to us now. China has had some close calls but handled it, nothing of this magnitude.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    What close calls?

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Whistleblowers/defections, file leaks, witness testimonies. Just like the patterns in western nations before this

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I wonder what came first, the alignment of the current axes of power, or the elite pedophile gang rings that operate within them.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    The Catholic Church and organized crime are both global...if you don't even know that, why am I bothering with you?

    Saudis are perfectly capable of maintaining their own network as they do their systems of slavery. Epstein was certainly not the only network like this, either.

    You just sound like an anti west troll, spreading propaganda.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Good points. However a big difference here is that this organized debauchery and perversions is weaponized to blackmail the most powerful countries in the world into supporting fascists in a small little country to do unspeakable things, that is also exporting that fascism to those home countries.

    So the blackmail angle, to ultimately destroy the liberal democracies that these countries are built on, makes it a little different.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (5 children)

    Blackmail definitely isn't unique to this situation. The US has specific provisions for conflicts of interest to safeguard against this kind of blackmail because they know it happens. MAGA simply ignore it all and was allowed to. Power finds a way and blackmail is as old as politics.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (4 children)

    I am sure it's not unique, do we have any more historical examples we can point to though? All I have is the borgia pope.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Examples of blackmail in politics? Seriously?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah what you have a lot of them on the tip of your tongue? I can't think of any that have been exposed as such, not off the top of my head.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Lester Hunt, Hoover, MLK, Dalia Star, Chicken and Bull, even Marie Antoinette? CIA ops have done all kinds of blackmail over the years.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Oh shit, I knew about Hoover, I should've thought of that. I've been accusing the president of being a career blackmailer since his first term, in a hoover-esque trove. Although besides King I didn't know specifics of any of his blackmail just that he had a huge trove.

    The president's birthday note to epstein all but said they were both blackmailers. The creepy one written inside the outline of a pre pubescent girl, not so subtle if you ask me. Such an enigma. A child raping enigma.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    The files do mention Putin, as being a deterrent to their operations in Russia. And they hated Xi and Castro. Seems like SOME leaders and powerful people are not sex trafficking pedos 🤷‍♂️

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Or they prevented competition. Their resistance is not necessarily a sign of being better. Putin's soldiers in Ukraine are doing horrific things, his KGB does horrific things, Russian Mercs in Africa do horrific things. Well never know the exact details so there's no way to know.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    You say that with no evidence of anything. Dude do you actually think Russia is more advanced than the US in its intelligence? Do you think Putin would be able to hide a network like this from the CIA, who wouldn’t use it against him? You’re just pulling stuff out of your ass, motivated entirely by russiophobia.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    That's... Also bad? Why are you bringing that up?

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago

    Because the claim seemed to be that the west, and capitalism, is somehow unique in its capacity for doing very shitty things. It is not. Horribleness is a human thing found everywhere humans are and is not caused by capitalism or Western societies.

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