▲ 138 ▼ That gum that nobody liked is gonna come back in style . . . (thelemmy.club) submitted 8 months ago by mattyroses@lemmy.today to c/politics@hexbear.net 73 comments fedilink hide all child comments cross-posted from: https://lemmy.today/post/47029629 cross-posted from: https://lemmy.today/post/47029625
[–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 16 points 8 months ago (10 children) I think you should get killed if you lose an election. Would self select out a lot of these fucks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 10 points 8 months ago gulp permalink fedilink source parent [–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 6 points 8 months ago (8 children) I personally think that that would not be a good policy. Punitive killing isn't a good way of running basically anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 4 points 8 months ago (7 children) I think there's some way to stop people grabbing power out of a self serving motivation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 6 points 8 months ago (6 children) The chief thing to do is make it not represent power. Modest pay, anti-corruption laws, recall elections, the ability to actually be held liable for crimes . . . permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 3 points 8 months ago (5 children) I don't think that works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago (4 children) I promise you that it's a much better means of keeping political representatives under control than literally executing people who try and fail to be elected. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 1 point 8 months ago (3 children) I genuinely don't know. Real talk instead of being glib. How do you design a political power that does not attract those who seek power selfishly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] da_gay_pussy_eatah@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Modest pay, anti-corruption laws, recall elections, the ability to actually be held liable for crimes... These are the essence of how to run a workers' state, based on historical lessons permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] ClimateStalin@hexbear.net 1 point 8 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 1 point 8 months ago As I said, the point is for the people to have political power and for representatives to be reduced to administrators. The various measures that I mentioned are meant in part to take power away from representatives, because hoping for good kings instead of bad kings is useless. You must head off vectors of corruption, take away abilities that are only suitable for misuse, and make it so people aren't stuck with a conmen in office and can instead vote to remove them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 6 points 8 months ago (8 children) I personally think that that would not be a good policy. Punitive killing isn't a good way of running basically anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 4 points 8 months ago (7 children) I think there's some way to stop people grabbing power out of a self serving motivation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 6 points 8 months ago (6 children) The chief thing to do is make it not represent power. Modest pay, anti-corruption laws, recall elections, the ability to actually be held liable for crimes . . . permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 3 points 8 months ago (5 children) I don't think that works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago (4 children) I promise you that it's a much better means of keeping political representatives under control than literally executing people who try and fail to be elected. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 1 point 8 months ago (3 children) I genuinely don't know. Real talk instead of being glib. How do you design a political power that does not attract those who seek power selfishly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] da_gay_pussy_eatah@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Modest pay, anti-corruption laws, recall elections, the ability to actually be held liable for crimes... These are the essence of how to run a workers' state, based on historical lessons permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] ClimateStalin@hexbear.net 1 point 8 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 1 point 8 months ago As I said, the point is for the people to have political power and for representatives to be reduced to administrators. The various measures that I mentioned are meant in part to take power away from representatives, because hoping for good kings instead of bad kings is useless. You must head off vectors of corruption, take away abilities that are only suitable for misuse, and make it so people aren't stuck with a conmen in office and can instead vote to remove them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 4 points 8 months ago (7 children) I think there's some way to stop people grabbing power out of a self serving motivation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 6 points 8 months ago (6 children) The chief thing to do is make it not represent power. Modest pay, anti-corruption laws, recall elections, the ability to actually be held liable for crimes . . . permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 3 points 8 months ago (5 children) I don't think that works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago (4 children) I promise you that it's a much better means of keeping political representatives under control than literally executing people who try and fail to be elected. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 1 point 8 months ago (3 children) I genuinely don't know. Real talk instead of being glib. How do you design a political power that does not attract those who seek power selfishly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] da_gay_pussy_eatah@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Modest pay, anti-corruption laws, recall elections, the ability to actually be held liable for crimes... These are the essence of how to run a workers' state, based on historical lessons permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] ClimateStalin@hexbear.net 1 point 8 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 1 point 8 months ago As I said, the point is for the people to have political power and for representatives to be reduced to administrators. The various measures that I mentioned are meant in part to take power away from representatives, because hoping for good kings instead of bad kings is useless. You must head off vectors of corruption, take away abilities that are only suitable for misuse, and make it so people aren't stuck with a conmen in office and can instead vote to remove them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 6 points 8 months ago (6 children) The chief thing to do is make it not represent power. Modest pay, anti-corruption laws, recall elections, the ability to actually be held liable for crimes . . . permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 3 points 8 months ago (5 children) I don't think that works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago (4 children) I promise you that it's a much better means of keeping political representatives under control than literally executing people who try and fail to be elected. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 1 point 8 months ago (3 children) I genuinely don't know. Real talk instead of being glib. How do you design a political power that does not attract those who seek power selfishly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] da_gay_pussy_eatah@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Modest pay, anti-corruption laws, recall elections, the ability to actually be held liable for crimes... These are the essence of how to run a workers' state, based on historical lessons permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] ClimateStalin@hexbear.net 1 point 8 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 1 point 8 months ago As I said, the point is for the people to have political power and for representatives to be reduced to administrators. The various measures that I mentioned are meant in part to take power away from representatives, because hoping for good kings instead of bad kings is useless. You must head off vectors of corruption, take away abilities that are only suitable for misuse, and make it so people aren't stuck with a conmen in office and can instead vote to remove them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 3 points 8 months ago (5 children) I don't think that works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago (4 children) I promise you that it's a much better means of keeping political representatives under control than literally executing people who try and fail to be elected. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 1 point 8 months ago (3 children) I genuinely don't know. Real talk instead of being glib. How do you design a political power that does not attract those who seek power selfishly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] da_gay_pussy_eatah@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Modest pay, anti-corruption laws, recall elections, the ability to actually be held liable for crimes... These are the essence of how to run a workers' state, based on historical lessons permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] ClimateStalin@hexbear.net 1 point 8 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 1 point 8 months ago As I said, the point is for the people to have political power and for representatives to be reduced to administrators. The various measures that I mentioned are meant in part to take power away from representatives, because hoping for good kings instead of bad kings is useless. You must head off vectors of corruption, take away abilities that are only suitable for misuse, and make it so people aren't stuck with a conmen in office and can instead vote to remove them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago (4 children) I promise you that it's a much better means of keeping political representatives under control than literally executing people who try and fail to be elected. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 1 point 8 months ago (3 children) I genuinely don't know. Real talk instead of being glib. How do you design a political power that does not attract those who seek power selfishly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] da_gay_pussy_eatah@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Modest pay, anti-corruption laws, recall elections, the ability to actually be held liable for crimes... These are the essence of how to run a workers' state, based on historical lessons permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] ClimateStalin@hexbear.net 1 point 8 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 1 point 8 months ago As I said, the point is for the people to have political power and for representatives to be reduced to administrators. The various measures that I mentioned are meant in part to take power away from representatives, because hoping for good kings instead of bad kings is useless. You must head off vectors of corruption, take away abilities that are only suitable for misuse, and make it so people aren't stuck with a conmen in office and can instead vote to remove them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 1 point 8 months ago (3 children) I genuinely don't know. Real talk instead of being glib. How do you design a political power that does not attract those who seek power selfishly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] da_gay_pussy_eatah@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Modest pay, anti-corruption laws, recall elections, the ability to actually be held liable for crimes... These are the essence of how to run a workers' state, based on historical lessons permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] ClimateStalin@hexbear.net 1 point 8 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 1 point 8 months ago As I said, the point is for the people to have political power and for representatives to be reduced to administrators. The various measures that I mentioned are meant in part to take power away from representatives, because hoping for good kings instead of bad kings is useless. You must head off vectors of corruption, take away abilities that are only suitable for misuse, and make it so people aren't stuck with a conmen in office and can instead vote to remove them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] da_gay_pussy_eatah@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Modest pay, anti-corruption laws, recall elections, the ability to actually be held liable for crimes... These are the essence of how to run a workers' state, based on historical lessons permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] ClimateStalin@hexbear.net 1 point 8 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 1 point 8 months ago As I said, the point is for the people to have political power and for representatives to be reduced to administrators. The various measures that I mentioned are meant in part to take power away from representatives, because hoping for good kings instead of bad kings is useless. You must head off vectors of corruption, take away abilities that are only suitable for misuse, and make it so people aren't stuck with a conmen in office and can instead vote to remove them. permalink fedilink source parent