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Rivian CEO issues strong statement about people who purchase gas-powered cars: ‘Sort of like building a horse barn in 1910’ (www.yahoo.com)
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Rivian CEO issues strong statement about people who purchase gas-powered cars: ‘Sort of like building a horse barn in 1910’::"I don't think I would have believed it."

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[–] -3 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

Those trucks/SUVs weigh 8500lbs. Since there is no fuel tax being collected, these monsters are destroying the roads and not contributing to their upkeep. My city is passing laws to significantly increase the registration on these vehicles, according to their annual mileage. I'm all for going electric, but an 8500lb truck is not helping the environment

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    This is true, but fuel taxes are very low. Most states that are charging an EV "road maintenance fee" (with whatever phrasing they select) are charging way more than an ICE vehicle would contribute in fuel taxes. And while it is true that BEVs are heavier than ICE vehicles, all else held equal, and that road wear and tear is strongly dependent on weight... as I recall reading, the overwhelming majority of road wear and tear is the result of freight trucks and similar vehicles.

    I’m all for going electric, but an 8500lb truck is not helping the environment.

    The issue here isn't that it's an EV in this case. It's that it's a truck. I'd wager than >95% of people buying trucks in the US would be perfectly served by a four door sedan or comparable sized vehicle. Trucks have largely become expensive vanity items to act as an external signal of a person's cultural identity. Contractors and similar that actually use a truck for truck purposes still exist, but they're comically outnumbered by people buying trucks for no good reason.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    My conservative neighbor drives an F-150 (~5,500 lbs) and his wife drives a Tahoe (~5,800 lbs). But he had the gall to complain to me last week about the weight of my Model Y (4,400 lbs). It's amazing what a little bit of oil and gas propaganda has been able to accomplish.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

    I don't think it's propaganda that EVs are heavy as shit for their size. Automakers are really upfront on that fact. You trying to call it propaganda illustrates your bad faith argument. You're misusing that word and diluting the meaning.

    4400 vs 5800 isn't much of a difference, considering the sizes of the vehicles you listed. You are essentially driving a midsize truck but without the utility of a truck. Your neighbor has two trucks to your one. The top trim Tacoma weighs the same as your lower tier Tesla. Tesla Model X Standard Range comes in at 5,185 pounds.

    I think we can both agree your vehicle is extremely heavy for being a small, low/mid tier passenger vehicle. Some Teslas are not eligible for the $7500 tax credit because they weigh so much.

    I like how you can't respond to this. It really hammers home my argument and calling you on your bullshit. Thank you for the votes, because that means I know you read the comment but have no idea how to respond!

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  • [–] -2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

    My city doesn't allow big trucks on our roads. The wear and tear of roads is heavily dependent on weight, as you and I both stated. Weighing 3500lbs more (the weight of a Toyota Camry) than even the largest personal vehicle is a problem which I hope they solve soon.

    I'm not sure why people think it's propaganda that EVs weigh 1.5x or more than a standard sedan. It's a fact, and it's easy to find information. The tech crowd wants to call anything that hurts their opinion bullshit, but they refuse to look it up. It's right there on the manufacturers' websites. I sincerely doubt the owners of Rivian or Tesla are in on some government "propaganda" to lower their own sales.

    I appreciate the votes. That proves you read the comment but have no idea how to respond, because you can't.

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