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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 years ago (8 children)

They killed women and children with their plan because of their carelessness

So, it wasn't intentional.

Your “citation” is cops and their interactions with black folk on the daily

So, cruelty, indifference, but not an actual desire to murder all of them?

Edit: here’s your citation

I can't read that because it requires a subscription, but I very much doubt it says "the police plan was to kill everyone, and here's the evidence for that".

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[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 2 points 3 years ago (7 children)

If that wasn't the intended plan with what they carried out, it was definitely a benefit based on the fact that police were already at odds with MOVE. So sure, no one sat at a table in a backroom and said "we're going to kill them all" while cackling, but it was definitely not something they were opposed to based on their actions (which involved so much overreach and violation of rights that even the city and a federal judge couldn't put a lid on it).

The article talks about how all of the deaths involved in the MOVE shootout were eventually re-categorized as homicides instead of their initial categorization of "accidental".

After nearly four decades, Philadelphia has acknowledged that it was no accident when six adults and five children died in the MOVE bombing.

The decision to amend the death certificates followed an independent investigation released this summer into how victims’ remains from the MOVE bombing languished in a cardboard box on a basement shelf at the Medical Examiner’s Office until 2021. The negligence led to widespread outrage and resignations. Reclassifying the deaths as homicides was among the recommendations in a 257-page report released in June that traced the office’s failures.

It's really not a stretch to think that the police didn't want all of MOVE completely eliminated. They were unwilling to work with MOVE and MOVE was unwilling to bend to an organization that constantly violated the civil rights of the black community.

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (6 children)

the deaths involved in the MOVE shootout were eventually re-categorized as homicides

Homicides? Do you mean first degree murder? Because to clear the bar you're attempting to clear you need to prove that "The goal from the start was to kill everyone there".

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[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 1 point 3 years ago (5 children)

I’m not going to keep arguing with a bad faith bootlicker.

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (4 children)

In other words, "I can't defend my words, so I'll ad-hominem the person who challenged them."

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[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 1 point 3 years ago (3 children)

I already did and it became obvious you were arguing in bad faith when you made an assumption about what a source said, despite not being able to actually even read it. You focused on the easiest thing to attack in the info I shared.

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (2 children)

No you didn't, you never came up with any evidence to prove your point. You came up with evidence they were malicious, cruel, etc. Not that there was a plan in place to kill them all and they executed that plan. That was your original claim, and nothing you've said backs it up.

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[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

Explain to me what you think the goal of dropping 2 military-grade explosives on the house was. I'm honestly confused as to why you're so hung up on commentary that is essentially irrelevant amongst everything I shared.

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago

What's a "military-grade" explosive? Why focus on that, rather than the explosive power? If the "The goal from the start was to kill everyone there" as you stated, it's not the "grade" of the explosives that would matter, it was the quantity. They would have used thousands of pounds, to ensure that nobody survived the explosion. As far as I know the goal of dropping the 750g bombs was to destroy a "bunker" type structure, or to create an opening in the building the police could use to drop in tear gas or to enter themselves.

I’m honestly confused as to why you’re so hung up on commentary that is essentially irrelevant amongst everything I shared.

Because you made an absolutely extraordinary claim, and have been unable to back it up. You could have just backed down and admitted it was an exaggeration, but no, you've pretended it's still true, so I'm pushing you to either admit that you exaggerated or to provide evidence to prove your ridiculous claim.