Skavau comments on Admin of discuss.online is mass banning people for downvoting. Recommend defederation for bad faith participation in the fediverse.

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 4 points 8 months ago (4 children)

That’s… highly odd, and unusual behavior. But even as you described it, I disagree then that it is an “instance ban”, if you can still post to Discuss.Online after being banned from those communities.

That's the thing. If you're banned from an instance, you can still post to communities on that instance - they just won't federate out. Only community bans hard-lock a user from being able to post to a community.

I went through 29 comments you made in the provided link - we really need an “expand all” or a “search through comments to this post” functionality:-).

I'll quote myself:

As far as I know, if someone from lemmy.world is banned on lemmy.zip (an example) - they are only directly banned from lemmy.zip communities they have commented on. This is why the modlog shows users simultaneously banned from like a dozen comms at once from time-to-time - they’ve just been banned from an instance

But any communities on lemmy.zip that the user banned from lemmy.zip hasn’t commented on, they can still post there. It just doesn’t federate out.

That means a user from lemmy.world could be a nuisance on a lemmy.zip community without the local lemmy.zip mods noticing. This absolutely happens on piefed bans of lemmy users now, and I assume the same in reverse. I saw a user banned from piefed.social still posting on my television@piefed.social community from lemmy.world, but it just doesn’t federate out.

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[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 2 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

Wait... WHAT!? That's SO much worse than shadow-banning, primarily because it is exactly shadow-banning, except it's not, except it is. Lemmy really needs to move faster to fix these FOUNDATIONAL cracks involving (checks notes) "making posts to communities". Is the issue at least fixed on the PieFed side?

The more time that passes, the more that I am laughing that lemmy.ml mods have been doing what OP claimed that the DO mods did since Lemmy started, but there ~~nobody bats an eye~~ no major instances seem to care, whereas here one person gets banned from a single instance and immediately out go the calls for full defederation of the entire instance, with most people calling him a PTB. Which might be the case, but the evidence presented is nowhere close to sufficient to demonstrate that, given rule #4 of that community.

Btw I (hope that I) never claimed that lemmy.ml did not have the right to ban people who were not a fit for their communities - only that doing so for hidden reasons that are never written down anywhere is what makes them authoritarian. Which here those mods seemed to have done, with their rule #4? (It also makes them authoritarian to have done so without telling people, and I strongly hope that PieFed is not making that mistake as well - not shadow banning people is basically the primary claim to fame for Lemmy, other than the hope for something better in the future, which as the years drag on and the software remains just as if not more authoritarian than Reddit, the latter waxes mighty thin these days.)

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[–] Skavau@piefed.social 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Wait… WHAT!? That’s SO much worse than shadow-banning, primarily because it is exactly shadow-banning, except it’s not, except it is. Lemmy really needs to move faster to fix these FOUNDATIONAL cracks involving (checks notes) “making posts to communities”. Is the issue at least fixed on the PieFed side?

Yes, I think so. I bought the attention to Rimu. Piefed - Piefed bans should function properly. Maybe I'll make an alt to test this.

Dessalines did reply to me saying they plan to fix that in the eventual update.

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[–] AzuranAurora@piefed.ca 3 points 8 months ago

Maybe in 10 years they will. Dessalines is far too busy wasting time constantly banning people for disagreeing with him or criticizing his favourite regimes instead of developing his platform. There's a reason Piefed is overtaking Lemmy in development speed and quality.

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[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 2 points 8 months ago

That's fantastic. It is likewise not ideal that a user blocking all people from an instance leaves open the possibility for those users to still comment... although Rimu explained to me over a year ago that would be the case, given that PieFed is interacting with Lemmy and Lemmy simply does not support the ability to block people who are not "blocked" in the traditional sense.

But now to find that Lemmy doesn't even implement community blocks correctly, wow, just wow.

I've seen issue requests laying in wait for Lemmy for 5+ years, so excuse me if I have no faith in hearing that something will be fixed "eventually". Ironically I have such great respect for those devs for making their sourcecode available free of charge, but also I've learned not to trust what they say as it often does not match up with reality (unless in a highly specific sense as in the *next" code release).

It actually makes a lot of sense: they write the software to function for Lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml, and if anyone else wants to use it, that's fine but it's not their top priority at all. Which apart from their apologists across Lemmy, the devs themselves are fairly open about:

If you dont like it, fork it. Stop bothering us about it,

-Nutomic responding to a request for feature changes

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