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[+] -19 points 8 months ago (36 children)
  • [–] [S] 45 points 8 months ago* (11 children)

    The US nearly completely wiped out the indigenous people who lived there

    When European settlers arrived in the Americas, historians estimate there were over 10 million Native Americans living there. By 1900, their estimated population was under 300,000. Native Americans were subjected to many different forms of violence, all with the intention of destroying the community. In the late 1800s, blankets from smallpox patients were distributed to Native Americans in order to spread disease. There were several wars, and violence was encouraged; for example, European settlers were paid for each Penobscot person they killed. In the 19th century, 4,000 Cherokee people died on the Trail of Tears, a forced march from the southern U.S. to Oklahoma. In the 20th century, civil rights violations were common, and discrimination continues to this day.

    Multiple millions of people were captured in Africa and sold as slaves as well

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  • [+] -22 points 8 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    The vast majority of these people died before the US even conceptually existed.

    Disgusting take, acting as if genocide was not colonial policy. You desperately need to read Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz - an indigenous people's history of the US.

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

    The vast majority of these people died before the US even conceptually existed.

    Germany didn't write the holocaust out of their history like Americans did.

    To mock the line I keep seeing in this thread full of apologists: Nazi Germany wasn't quite there yet. They would have been as bad as the US if they had time.

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  • [+] -3 points 8 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Nazi Germany literally modeled their society off of the United States from Jim Crow apartheid to the frontier genocide.

    You're wrong. It's not a contest. If they had been allowed to 'let things that happened a hundred years ago fade away' like they were planning THEN it would be a contest because they would have succeeded in creating a European America.

    The project of Nazi Germany is literally the same project as Israel is literally the same project as America

    It is exactly one thing: Settler colonialism and the only difference is the conditions of when and where and who. But that only goes as far as the particulars.

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  • [–] 30 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Even if you take the most extreme interpretation of US responsibility possible (eg adding another 1-1.7 million people for "luring" the Soviet Union into attacking Afghanistan), you don't get to 25 million

    Bullshit. One single US (+EU) policy, economic sanctions, has murdered 38 million in the past 50 Years and keeps murdering 500k yearly. One single policy.

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  • [+] -14 points 8 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    According to you, is there Apartheid in Venezuela? Hell, the US and Israel tried to keep the regime in South Africa going for as long as they could, so it doesn't even make much sense. Not only that, but sanctions STILL cause the deaths of over 500k people a year. People like you and me. Stop defending imperialism and mass death.

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  • [–] 30 points 8 months ago* (15 children)

    Broad estimates of US war victims range up to 12 million (a liberal estimate), whereas the Nazis killed over 13 million through mass killings alone (eg the Holocaust + exterminated minorities). The Soviet Union alone lost 20 to 27 million depending on who you ask.

    In addition to the 500k-millions of native peoples and hundreds of tribes the US systematically nearly eradicated, lets take just a few more examples.

    • Vietnam: 1.5M killed
    • Laos: 300k
    • Iraq: 1M
    • Indonesia: 500k-1M
    • Korea: 500k
    • Japan: 200k-1M in civilian bombings

    And I haven't even started on operation condor and latin america yet.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The real tragedy is that of the victims who got stuck in the middle between two doctrines hell-bent on global domination.

    The case of Imperial Japan is equivalent to that of Nazi Germany. A fascist regime that saw millions intentionally slaughtered and worked to death across Asia.

    Here are some links for reading more about the killings related to:

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  • [+] -16 points 8 months ago (11 children)
  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Bro just admit it, US is the OG third Reich. It was literally founded on Genocide and kept doing it until the Native population became irrelevant. The Nazis literally planned Lebensraum after being inspired by 'Manifest Destiny' and modeled the Nuremberg laws after the Jim Crow. I suggest you read a book.

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  • [+] -4 points 8 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I am once again telling you to pick up a history book on US imperialism. You fucks just care about atrocities more when it's inflicted on white people more than when it's inflicted on colored people. The US literally preserved fascism in the western hemisphere to prevent the spread of Socialism.

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  • [+] -3 points 8 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    If anything, it exposes how inhumane and cruel the US Foreign policy has been. Why are you so fixated on making the American Empire look less harmful which is contradictory to the historical reality? Are you an Ameriphile?

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I hope you take a moment and reflect on why you insist on approaching comparative history in this way.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Maybe it's because this is a comment thread about comparative history being performed in the same manner?

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    The post does not go into kill counts as a direct comparison. It simply states that the us will be remembered as worse than nazi germany. So no, that is not the reason. I'm calling out your behavior specifically as problematic.

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Simply trying to compare kill counts like history is call of duty only serves to dehumanize the victims.

    In my view, just one aspect of the U.S. makes it the worst country ever: its role in the ecological crisis. The us is like three corporations in a trench coat, and a us corporation knew about anthropogenic climate change and kept that internal, and that's just one instance of fuckery where there are plenty more. That's the international elephant in the room which nobody seems willing to talk about. We need to also consider all the future atrocities as well as those in the past.

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