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New York teachers stunned to learn some students can’t read time on old clocks after phone ban comes into play (www.independent.co.uk)
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/41056130

At least 31 states and the District of Columbia restrict cell phones in schools

New York City teachers say the state’s recently implemented cell phone ban in schools has showed that numerous students no longer know how to tell time on an old-fashioned clock.

“That's a major skill that they're not used to at all,” Tiana Millen, an assistant principal at Cardozo High School in Queens, told Gothamist of what she’s noticed after the ban, which went into effect in September.

Students in the city’s school system are meant to learn basic time-telling skills in the first and second grade, according to officials, though it appears children have fallen out of practice doing so in an increasingly digital world.

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[+] -13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (13 children)

or maybe they should invest in digital clocks rather than continuing to use an archaic, obsolete technology.

Yes. You read that right.

Analog clocks are obsolete.

Same with the fountain pen and dip pens and calligraphy (and the cursive writing styles that relied on them,) carrier pigeons and the telegraph. not to mention all sorts of other technologies that are of only passing interest.

You probably don't know how to read a sundial, or to locate yourself on a map using a magnetic compass.

While there's some esoteric value in such skills, the skills themselves are obsolete and useless to modern life. We're not preparing them for the past. we're preparing them for the future.

Guaranteed the teachers aren't using the analog clocks if they don't have to either.

(edit, I can't find the full article, everything points back to that atlantic article. The gyst that they cropped out so crudely is two fold: the point of cursive was to minimize blotting caused by lifting and setting the pen across each letter when using a pen with a nib. It required a relatively light hand when writing, so as to glide over the page and not dig itn. Ball point pens, on the other hand, transfer ink differently- you're rolling a ball over the surface- and they require significantly more pressure. the fluid motions of cursive writing cramp the hand sooner compared to print, if you're writing with a ball point.)

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    This is incorrect. I'm a teacher and CONSTANTLY use the analog clock for multiple reasons.

    1. It's the clock of record. Doesn't matter what YOUR particular clock says, the clock on the WALL is the time we all go on.
    2. Reaching into your pocket to pull out a phone and look, no matter how much you want to pretend it's trivial, still takes SIGNIFICANTLY more effort and time than glancing at the wall. Those seconds add up.
    3. Momentum. Are you PERSONALLY going to provide the billions of dollars in funding to replace every analog clock in a public space with digital ones?

    This is not like learning to write cursive - reading an analog clock is a trivial skill that should not take longer than a day for anyone to master.

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  • [+] -14 points 9 months ago*

    This is incorrect. I’m a teacher and CONSTANTLY use the analog clock for multiple reasons.

    It’s the clock of record. Doesn’t matter what YOUR particular clock says, the clock on the WALL is the time we all go on.

    Irrelevant. This function would be served regardless of what type of clock is on the wall. A digital wall clock would serve just as well, and likely be less expensive to maintain than the electromechanical clocks you presumably use. (something about obsolete technologies becoming increasingly more expensive to maintain.)

    Reaching into your pocket to pull out a phone and look, no matter how much you want to pretend it’s trivial, still takes SIGNIFICANTLY more effort and time than glancing at the wall. Those seconds add up.

    See the above reply.

    Momentum. Are you PERSONALLY going to provide the billions of dollars in funding to replace every analog clock in a public space with digital ones?

    an irrelevant red herring with a false dichotomy. Clocks in public places are mostly installed by the people who maintain those public places. We all pay taxes to keep those places up. I don't need to personally fund such a project and you know it.

    This is not like learning to write cursive - reading an analog clock is a trivial skill that should not take longer than a day for anyone to master.

    It may be trivial, and there may be some benefit besides learning to read said clock. But like cursive, it's an irrelevant skill that generally won't be used outside of class. That's how it's like cursive. Or, if you prefer, using a slide rule. as a teacher, I am, however, sure you understand that you only have so many hours of instruction available. A day spent on this, is a day not spent on something else. You might have arguments for why this is more important than that something else, but its still an obsolete technology that, like the slide rule and fountain pens, is going away. Nostalgia is not a good enough reason to keep it around.

    btw, my middle school had all digital wall clocks back in the mid 90's, and probably had them for quite some time before i was there.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    non-cursive is infuriatingly slow to write.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    I have no idea people hate on cursive (beyond the normal anti-intellectual reasons of hating the idea of teaching people things that aren't immediately applicable to industry).

    Cursive didn't come out of nowhere, it fills a legitimate need, and it's a skill that expresses your individual creative self in an activity you might do everyday (maybe more!) It does wonders for your self-confidence and happiness in life to write on paper well. Paper and pen has been humanity's companion for centuries if not millennia, and one doesn't do themselves any favors by intentionally shunning their own handwriting ability. And you dont have to pick between using a keyboard and learning cursive: just do both.

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  • [+] -3 points 9 months ago (4 children)
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  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Says the guy who apparently can only sting together an insult.

    Stuff changes. Each generation does things differently. Stone Age people probably said the same thing when they stopped teaching their children to flintknap after everyone started using bronze tools.

    We abandon old technology when it becomes obsolete, and eventually the skills associated with them. And that’s normal.

    We don’t have enough hours in a lifetime to learn all the stuff we’ve abandoned, and analog clock faces are going that way. It’s okay. This is normal.

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