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Paedophile teacher who had sex with two boys is struck off (www.independent.co.uk)
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Rebecca Joynes is currently serving a six and a half year prison sentence

A teacher who was convicted for having sex with two boys, becoming pregnant by one, has been banned from the profession.

Maths teacher Rebecca Joynes, 31, was jailed for six and a half years in July last year after being found guilty of six counts of sexual activity with a child, after sleeping with one pupil before falling pregnant by a second while on police bail.

The Teaching Regulation Agency (TRA) convened earlier this month via a virtual hearing, which Joynes did not attend, to consider her professional conduct. A panel recommended she be banned from teaching.

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[–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

I get that you want to separate sex by force from sex by free will but when it comes to kids there can never be consent and it defaults to rape.

The issue with that definition, legally, is if two 12 year olds have sex with each other, they would now both end up in jail.

Things like that have happened in the USA btw because the law is set that way.

The problem isn't whether they can or can't consent at that age - humans don't magically gain some universal phenomena of consent at some arbitrary number.

It's the lack of foresight and knowledge of consequences, as well as the physical and mental health risks for young girls who get pregnant. That's why it's bad.

That's also why the best defense against pedophilia is education about sex. And why the right wing globally usually is against sex education.

If they know what it is and what it can cause, it'll be much harder for them to be convinced or tricked by an adult.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    I really don't get what you are trying to say here.

    So what does the law in the US say now then? That the boy gets thrown in jail?

    Why would you not make exceptions for kids under the age of 15 to have sex with kids under 15 and kids over 15 but under 18 to have sex with kids over 15 but under 18? Granted that they both gave consent.

    In normal countries a kid can not consent to have sex with adults and it would be defined as rape and general sexual education is not frowned upon.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    The US las varies by state, but in some cases only the boy goes to jail. In other both go to jail.

    Even your proposal of

    Why would you not make exceptions for kids under the age of 15 to have sex with kids under 15 and kids over 15 but under 18 to have sex with kids over 15 but under 18?

    Has issues. For example, if two teens were already having sex at 14 but one turns 15, although legal before, it's suddenly illegal, even if consenting.

    Same with 17 to 18.

    That's why your statement of "underage automatically does not equal consent" doesn't legally work.

    What I think would work better than a simple lower limit age ban would be to also include an upper limit age ban as well. I think perhaps of 2 years for 13 and under and 3 years for 14-18.

    That way, if say a 17 year old has a partner that turns 18 or 19, there's no issues. But if an adult that's 22 (or older) does something with a 17 year old it's illegal.

    This gives room for consent, because teens are able to consent - they should just be able to do so safely with their peers, rather than because they are targeted by older, more experienced/manipulative adults.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Weird how this is not an issue in most other countries and that America always has to make everything complicated or convoluted. Arresting two minors for having sex with each other with consent is weird as fuck. I really don't understand why America has to be this extreme with everything. You guys never have nuance, it's either all or nothing. Fuck the kids or fuck them kids!

    In my country the law says that you are sexually mature at the age of 15, which means that as an adult can have sex with a 15 year old. However, recording or taking pictures of sexual acts are still considered illegal until you reach the age of 18.

    Do you know what we don't have? Lots of pedoes. Because the vast majority of people realize that having sex with a 15 year old is creepy as fuck and they do not find it attractive. We also have good sexual education so that everyone, especially the younger people, can make informed decisions.

    And having sex with a minor here (under the age of 15) is always considered rape in the eyes of the law if you are an adult. That said, most parents or the kids themselves won't care if a 14 year old had sex with a 16 year old and they won't make a big deal out of it as long as there was consent. Because everything is not black or white. We have nuance.

    Jaywalking is also illegal here but nobody cares, not even the police, because if nobody got hurt or you didn't put other people at harms way then there's no reason to make a big deal out of it.

    But getting back to the topic, I do really think that a female teacher "having sex" with a minor boy is rape and should be called out as such. There's no reason to minimize her crime and call it something else.

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