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Remembering to look for and ignore folks with that telltale indicator has made the fediverse so much more enjoyable.

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[–] 0 points 8 months ago (1 child)

If not imperialist, why imperialism shaped? I don't care if their ideology is different, they're doing exactly the same thing! Belts and roads are literally loans and investments, there is nothing you can say that changes that fact

Private ownership? That doesn't explain away anything!

There are no billionaires without mass explotation. Period.

You're just describing a flavor of capitalism. China has a system of controlled capitalism. It's a different flavor, it seems like it's a better flavor that I'd like to try, but it's still capitalism

You're jumping through some crazy hoops there when it's just not that complicated.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (1 child)

    It isn't imperialism shaped. There's no unequal exchange going on, no underdevelopment, no forced hegemony. The ideology being different helps, but the reason it isn't imperialism is because there's no imperialism. Loans and investments are not inherently imperialism.

    Yes, there are no billionaires without mass exploitation, correct. This doesn't mean China isn't socialist or that it's imperialist. China isn't capitalist because public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy, and the working classes are in charge of the state, over what capitalists there are in China.

    I'm not jumping through hoops, you just don't know what China's system is, what imperialism is, nor what socialism is, because you're arguing that studying any of these is a waste of time.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I think you just don't know the difference between what imperialism was like post WW2 and what it looks like today

    It is imperialism when you economically colonize other states. It's not necessarily evil, but you can't deny the power dynamics that are at play

    And public ownership is absolutely something that can and does exist under capitalism. In fact, the US would barely have to make any legal changes at all to do what they do... We're just allergic to actually doing it

    You can stop jumping through hoops if you just look at their system instead of trying to reconcile their word with direct observation

    Why would you ever listen to politicians? The CCP lies constantly, obviously, they're a government

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Oh I'm well-aware of how imperialism functions today, because I study it. That's how I know that China isn't economically colonizing other states.

    Public ownership exists under capitalism, yes, but in capitalism private ownership is the principle aspect. The principle aspect of the economy determines the mode of production, ie controls at a minimum the large firms and key industries with a given class in charge of the state. In the US, private ownership is principle while in the PRC public ownership is principle. Capitalism and socialism aren't determined by their purity.

    I'm not jumping through any hoops, nor do I only listen to politicians, I study the systems and listen to researchers, academics, and working class organizations more than anything.

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