▲ 775 ▼ HDMI Forum is unwilling to disclose the 2.1 specification for open-source (Linux): according to AMD, they had submitted a functional, HDMI 2.1-compatible driver [for linux?], which the Forum rejected. (www.heise.de) submitted 10 months ago by VoxAliorum@lemmy.ml to c/opensource@lemmy.ml 178 comments fedilink hide all child comments I do not really have a body for this. I was not aware that this is a thing and still feel like this is bs, but maybe there is an actual explanation for HDMI Forum's decision that I am missing.
[–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 43 points 10 months ago (15 children) That'd be suicide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago (9 children) There would be uproar, but like the audio jack on phones people would come around. All it would take is one big enough company to pull it off, and the rest would follow. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 16 points 10 months ago (1 child) Apple could remove the audio jack from iPhones because 1. They're Apple. They could remove the eyes from their customers and 9/10ths of them would stay loyal. and 2. Eliminating the headphone jack mostly locked people out of $20 or less earbuds that might have come free with a previous phone anyway. People grumbled, and carried on using the Bluetooth headphones a lot of them already owned. AMD doesn't have the following that Apple does; they're the objectively worse but more affordable alternative to Nvidia. Eliminating the HDMI port would lock themselves out of the HTPC market entirely; anyone who wanted to connect a PC to a TV would find their products impossible to use, not without experience ruining adapter dongles. We're talking about making machines that cost hundreds or thousands of dollars incompatible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] zaemz@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago Considering most gaming consoles use AMD hardware, they'd be having to keep up on licensing for those products as well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jarix@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (6 children) Just bought a new phone that has an audio jack. Some of us refuse to "come around". They can fit a stylus and an audio jack in this thing. Why did they remove the audio jack again? Not enough room? Bullshit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago The point isn’t whether it’s needed or not. It’s not about space or features. The point is that a major player made a design decision and bucked the system. And while there may still be some phones with audio jacks, the majority of mainstream phones don’t. That major player is still successful, and other companies followed suit. Can we agree this is what should happen to HDMI. No? permalink fedilink source parent [–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago (3 children) tbh I looked at audio jacks in internals, and they do usually have double the footprint on a pcb than what you see outside of it, at least on low end consumer devices: That's not to say that they couldn't put anything more compact in a highend device like a smart phone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Jarix@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (2 children) Okay but I have a usbc slot, speakers, stylus, and an audio jack all on the bottom of my new phone. It's bullshit that they needed the room as evidenced by this 2025 phone. It can also use an sdcard. Greedy fucking corporations just wanting you to repurchase stuff you already have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] moopet@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) There are sane reasons to ditch an audio port. Like, physical connectors are fragile. Why use something that's so often broken, when you don't need to? Why include circuitry for something that you don't need? At this point, physical audio ports are there for backwards compatibility. I'm not saying wired headphones are bad - I have wired headphones - but phones are the least useful place for them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jarix@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago None of those reasons are the reasons that were stated for removing it from devices by the manufacturers. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NominatedNemesis@reddthat.com 1 point 10 months ago Can I ask what phone did you buy? Only if you confortable to share it ofc. I am looking for a new one. I loved my Samsung Note9. Everything was great, it had stylus, jack, battery life, oled screen, decent cameras. The only thing missing is andoid OS update support. It still better than most middle range phones... permalink fedilink source parent [–] sefra1@lemmy.zip 21 points 10 months ago* (2 children) For now, but DP and specially DP over USB-C is becoming gradually more popular for computer hardware, someone paying 400 euros for a GPU doesn't mind paying 10 bucks extra on an adapter if they have an HDMI monitor. But most monitors nowadays come with DP anyway. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] djvdKu@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 child) The problem is not with monitors, but rather TVs, which are not using DP (almost?) at all permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 10 months ago Adapter permalink fedilink source parent [–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works -4 points 10 months ago (1 child) No, because electronics aren't alive permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago 🤦♂️ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago (9 children) There would be uproar, but like the audio jack on phones people would come around. All it would take is one big enough company to pull it off, and the rest would follow. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 16 points 10 months ago (1 child) Apple could remove the audio jack from iPhones because 1. They're Apple. They could remove the eyes from their customers and 9/10ths of them would stay loyal. and 2. Eliminating the headphone jack mostly locked people out of $20 or less earbuds that might have come free with a previous phone anyway. People grumbled, and carried on using the Bluetooth headphones a lot of them already owned. AMD doesn't have the following that Apple does; they're the objectively worse but more affordable alternative to Nvidia. Eliminating the HDMI port would lock themselves out of the HTPC market entirely; anyone who wanted to connect a PC to a TV would find their products impossible to use, not without experience ruining adapter dongles. We're talking about making machines that cost hundreds or thousands of dollars incompatible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] zaemz@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago Considering most gaming consoles use AMD hardware, they'd be having to keep up on licensing for those products as well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jarix@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (6 children) Just bought a new phone that has an audio jack. Some of us refuse to "come around". They can fit a stylus and an audio jack in this thing. Why did they remove the audio jack again? Not enough room? Bullshit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago The point isn’t whether it’s needed or not. It’s not about space or features. The point is that a major player made a design decision and bucked the system. And while there may still be some phones with audio jacks, the majority of mainstream phones don’t. That major player is still successful, and other companies followed suit. Can we agree this is what should happen to HDMI. No? permalink fedilink source parent [–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago (3 children) tbh I looked at audio jacks in internals, and they do usually have double the footprint on a pcb than what you see outside of it, at least on low end consumer devices: That's not to say that they couldn't put anything more compact in a highend device like a smart phone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Jarix@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (2 children) Okay but I have a usbc slot, speakers, stylus, and an audio jack all on the bottom of my new phone. It's bullshit that they needed the room as evidenced by this 2025 phone. It can also use an sdcard. Greedy fucking corporations just wanting you to repurchase stuff you already have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] moopet@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) There are sane reasons to ditch an audio port. Like, physical connectors are fragile. Why use something that's so often broken, when you don't need to? Why include circuitry for something that you don't need? At this point, physical audio ports are there for backwards compatibility. I'm not saying wired headphones are bad - I have wired headphones - but phones are the least useful place for them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jarix@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago None of those reasons are the reasons that were stated for removing it from devices by the manufacturers. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NominatedNemesis@reddthat.com 1 point 10 months ago Can I ask what phone did you buy? Only if you confortable to share it ofc. I am looking for a new one. I loved my Samsung Note9. Everything was great, it had stylus, jack, battery life, oled screen, decent cameras. The only thing missing is andoid OS update support. It still better than most middle range phones... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 16 points 10 months ago (1 child) Apple could remove the audio jack from iPhones because 1. They're Apple. They could remove the eyes from their customers and 9/10ths of them would stay loyal. and 2. Eliminating the headphone jack mostly locked people out of $20 or less earbuds that might have come free with a previous phone anyway. People grumbled, and carried on using the Bluetooth headphones a lot of them already owned. AMD doesn't have the following that Apple does; they're the objectively worse but more affordable alternative to Nvidia. Eliminating the HDMI port would lock themselves out of the HTPC market entirely; anyone who wanted to connect a PC to a TV would find their products impossible to use, not without experience ruining adapter dongles. We're talking about making machines that cost hundreds or thousands of dollars incompatible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] zaemz@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago Considering most gaming consoles use AMD hardware, they'd be having to keep up on licensing for those products as well. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zaemz@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago Considering most gaming consoles use AMD hardware, they'd be having to keep up on licensing for those products as well. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (6 children) Just bought a new phone that has an audio jack. Some of us refuse to "come around". They can fit a stylus and an audio jack in this thing. Why did they remove the audio jack again? Not enough room? Bullshit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago The point isn’t whether it’s needed or not. It’s not about space or features. The point is that a major player made a design decision and bucked the system. And while there may still be some phones with audio jacks, the majority of mainstream phones don’t. That major player is still successful, and other companies followed suit. Can we agree this is what should happen to HDMI. No? permalink fedilink source parent [–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago (3 children) tbh I looked at audio jacks in internals, and they do usually have double the footprint on a pcb than what you see outside of it, at least on low end consumer devices: That's not to say that they couldn't put anything more compact in a highend device like a smart phone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Jarix@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (2 children) Okay but I have a usbc slot, speakers, stylus, and an audio jack all on the bottom of my new phone. It's bullshit that they needed the room as evidenced by this 2025 phone. It can also use an sdcard. Greedy fucking corporations just wanting you to repurchase stuff you already have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] moopet@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) There are sane reasons to ditch an audio port. Like, physical connectors are fragile. Why use something that's so often broken, when you don't need to? Why include circuitry for something that you don't need? At this point, physical audio ports are there for backwards compatibility. I'm not saying wired headphones are bad - I have wired headphones - but phones are the least useful place for them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jarix@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago None of those reasons are the reasons that were stated for removing it from devices by the manufacturers. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NominatedNemesis@reddthat.com 1 point 10 months ago Can I ask what phone did you buy? Only if you confortable to share it ofc. I am looking for a new one. I loved my Samsung Note9. Everything was great, it had stylus, jack, battery life, oled screen, decent cameras. The only thing missing is andoid OS update support. It still better than most middle range phones... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago The point isn’t whether it’s needed or not. It’s not about space or features. The point is that a major player made a design decision and bucked the system. And while there may still be some phones with audio jacks, the majority of mainstream phones don’t. That major player is still successful, and other companies followed suit. Can we agree this is what should happen to HDMI. No? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago (3 children) tbh I looked at audio jacks in internals, and they do usually have double the footprint on a pcb than what you see outside of it, at least on low end consumer devices: That's not to say that they couldn't put anything more compact in a highend device like a smart phone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Jarix@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (2 children) Okay but I have a usbc slot, speakers, stylus, and an audio jack all on the bottom of my new phone. It's bullshit that they needed the room as evidenced by this 2025 phone. It can also use an sdcard. Greedy fucking corporations just wanting you to repurchase stuff you already have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] moopet@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) There are sane reasons to ditch an audio port. Like, physical connectors are fragile. Why use something that's so often broken, when you don't need to? Why include circuitry for something that you don't need? At this point, physical audio ports are there for backwards compatibility. I'm not saying wired headphones are bad - I have wired headphones - but phones are the least useful place for them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jarix@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago None of those reasons are the reasons that were stated for removing it from devices by the manufacturers. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (2 children) Okay but I have a usbc slot, speakers, stylus, and an audio jack all on the bottom of my new phone. It's bullshit that they needed the room as evidenced by this 2025 phone. It can also use an sdcard. Greedy fucking corporations just wanting you to repurchase stuff you already have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] moopet@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) There are sane reasons to ditch an audio port. Like, physical connectors are fragile. Why use something that's so often broken, when you don't need to? Why include circuitry for something that you don't need? At this point, physical audio ports are there for backwards compatibility. I'm not saying wired headphones are bad - I have wired headphones - but phones are the least useful place for them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jarix@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago None of those reasons are the reasons that were stated for removing it from devices by the manufacturers. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] moopet@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) There are sane reasons to ditch an audio port. Like, physical connectors are fragile. Why use something that's so often broken, when you don't need to? Why include circuitry for something that you don't need? At this point, physical audio ports are there for backwards compatibility. I'm not saying wired headphones are bad - I have wired headphones - but phones are the least useful place for them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jarix@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago None of those reasons are the reasons that were stated for removing it from devices by the manufacturers. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago None of those reasons are the reasons that were stated for removing it from devices by the manufacturers. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NominatedNemesis@reddthat.com 1 point 10 months ago Can I ask what phone did you buy? Only if you confortable to share it ofc. I am looking for a new one. I loved my Samsung Note9. Everything was great, it had stylus, jack, battery life, oled screen, decent cameras. The only thing missing is andoid OS update support. It still better than most middle range phones... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sefra1@lemmy.zip 21 points 10 months ago* (2 children) For now, but DP and specially DP over USB-C is becoming gradually more popular for computer hardware, someone paying 400 euros for a GPU doesn't mind paying 10 bucks extra on an adapter if they have an HDMI monitor. But most monitors nowadays come with DP anyway. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] djvdKu@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 child) The problem is not with monitors, but rather TVs, which are not using DP (almost?) at all permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 10 months ago Adapter permalink fedilink source parent
[–] djvdKu@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 child) The problem is not with monitors, but rather TVs, which are not using DP (almost?) at all permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 10 months ago Adapter permalink fedilink source parent
[–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works -4 points 10 months ago (1 child) No, because electronics aren't alive permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago 🤦♂️ permalink fedilink source parent