▲ 775 ▼ HDMI Forum is unwilling to disclose the 2.1 specification for open-source (Linux): according to AMD, they had submitted a functional, HDMI 2.1-compatible driver [for linux?], which the Forum rejected. (www.heise.de) submitted 10 months ago by VoxAliorum@lemmy.ml to c/opensource@lemmy.ml 178 comments fedilink hide all child comments I do not really have a body for this. I was not aware that this is a thing and still feel like this is bs, but maybe there is an actual explanation for HDMI Forum's decision that I am missing.
[–] HelloRoot@lemy.lol 109 points 10 months ago (16 children) but maybe there is an actual explanation for HDMI Forum’s decision that I am missing. Licensing money. permalink fedilink source hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago Maybe we can get it when they come out with 2.2 or whatever, then permalink fedilink source parent [+] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 10 months ago (14 children) Which could be paid by Valve in this case, especially since no one is expecting the Steam Box thing to be cheap. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 66 points 10 months ago (5 children) If the license holder isn't willing to accept the money, it doesn't matter if Valve is willing to pay it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] RustySharp@programming.dev 6 points 10 months ago (4 children) Everyone has a price. Maybe a superyacht or two from Gabe's fleet? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 30 points 10 months ago (3 children) It's not about liquid money. It's about "preventing piracy" by blocking anything that could allow people to use certain features via FOSS systems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] RustySharp@programming.dev 3 points 10 months ago I was thinking more along the lines of, "let people pirate. Here's a megayacht'. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) Well, Android TVs can be "hacked" and those have HDMIs. Not a good point permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago Tell me you don't understand software development without telling me you don't understand software development. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mkwt@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (2 children) The license holder is attaching additional terms and conditions that are incompatible with publicly disclosing the driver source code. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 child) It still boggles my mind things can be licensed/copyrighted without being forced to disclose source code. The lack of transparency we're okay with in society is absolutely unsustainable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Archer@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago Stallman is not a great person but he saw this coming decades ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (3 children) This wouldn’t work to scale. If Valve paid to license the spec for the Linux kernel, it would have to pay for every person who downloaded the driver, which is far more than the amount of people who buy the Steam Cube. Unless of course you’re suggesting that the kernel driver for the new spec become closed source. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] legion02@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 child) OK. Fine. Then it's going to be reverse engineered and everyone will use it anyways and they'll get nothing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] iopq@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago It's not, people will just convert DP to HDMI and call it a day permalink fedilink source parent [–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago Unfortunately, I am — or rather, I am suggesting that Valve be granted a license they can use. I like open source, but not so much that I'd prefer hardware that already exists be held back a feature because others can't benefit for free. I'd prefer a workaround. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HelloRoot@lemy.lol 5 points 10 months ago If it ever gets open sourced, anybody will just use it without paying. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago Maybe we can get it when they come out with 2.2 or whatever, then permalink fedilink source parent
[+] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 10 months ago (14 children) Which could be paid by Valve in this case, especially since no one is expecting the Steam Box thing to be cheap. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 66 points 10 months ago (5 children) If the license holder isn't willing to accept the money, it doesn't matter if Valve is willing to pay it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] RustySharp@programming.dev 6 points 10 months ago (4 children) Everyone has a price. Maybe a superyacht or two from Gabe's fleet? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 30 points 10 months ago (3 children) It's not about liquid money. It's about "preventing piracy" by blocking anything that could allow people to use certain features via FOSS systems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] RustySharp@programming.dev 3 points 10 months ago I was thinking more along the lines of, "let people pirate. Here's a megayacht'. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) Well, Android TVs can be "hacked" and those have HDMIs. Not a good point permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago Tell me you don't understand software development without telling me you don't understand software development. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mkwt@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (2 children) The license holder is attaching additional terms and conditions that are incompatible with publicly disclosing the driver source code. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 child) It still boggles my mind things can be licensed/copyrighted without being forced to disclose source code. The lack of transparency we're okay with in society is absolutely unsustainable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Archer@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago Stallman is not a great person but he saw this coming decades ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (3 children) This wouldn’t work to scale. If Valve paid to license the spec for the Linux kernel, it would have to pay for every person who downloaded the driver, which is far more than the amount of people who buy the Steam Cube. Unless of course you’re suggesting that the kernel driver for the new spec become closed source. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] legion02@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 child) OK. Fine. Then it's going to be reverse engineered and everyone will use it anyways and they'll get nothing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] iopq@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago It's not, people will just convert DP to HDMI and call it a day permalink fedilink source parent [–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago Unfortunately, I am — or rather, I am suggesting that Valve be granted a license they can use. I like open source, but not so much that I'd prefer hardware that already exists be held back a feature because others can't benefit for free. I'd prefer a workaround. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HelloRoot@lemy.lol 5 points 10 months ago If it ever gets open sourced, anybody will just use it without paying. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 66 points 10 months ago (5 children) If the license holder isn't willing to accept the money, it doesn't matter if Valve is willing to pay it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] RustySharp@programming.dev 6 points 10 months ago (4 children) Everyone has a price. Maybe a superyacht or two from Gabe's fleet? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 30 points 10 months ago (3 children) It's not about liquid money. It's about "preventing piracy" by blocking anything that could allow people to use certain features via FOSS systems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] RustySharp@programming.dev 3 points 10 months ago I was thinking more along the lines of, "let people pirate. Here's a megayacht'. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) Well, Android TVs can be "hacked" and those have HDMIs. Not a good point permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago Tell me you don't understand software development without telling me you don't understand software development. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RustySharp@programming.dev 6 points 10 months ago (4 children) Everyone has a price. Maybe a superyacht or two from Gabe's fleet? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 30 points 10 months ago (3 children) It's not about liquid money. It's about "preventing piracy" by blocking anything that could allow people to use certain features via FOSS systems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] RustySharp@programming.dev 3 points 10 months ago I was thinking more along the lines of, "let people pirate. Here's a megayacht'. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) Well, Android TVs can be "hacked" and those have HDMIs. Not a good point permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago Tell me you don't understand software development without telling me you don't understand software development. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 30 points 10 months ago (3 children) It's not about liquid money. It's about "preventing piracy" by blocking anything that could allow people to use certain features via FOSS systems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] RustySharp@programming.dev 3 points 10 months ago I was thinking more along the lines of, "let people pirate. Here's a megayacht'. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) Well, Android TVs can be "hacked" and those have HDMIs. Not a good point permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago Tell me you don't understand software development without telling me you don't understand software development. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RustySharp@programming.dev 3 points 10 months ago I was thinking more along the lines of, "let people pirate. Here's a megayacht'. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) Well, Android TVs can be "hacked" and those have HDMIs. Not a good point permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago Tell me you don't understand software development without telling me you don't understand software development. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago Tell me you don't understand software development without telling me you don't understand software development. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (2 children) The license holder is attaching additional terms and conditions that are incompatible with publicly disclosing the driver source code. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 child) It still boggles my mind things can be licensed/copyrighted without being forced to disclose source code. The lack of transparency we're okay with in society is absolutely unsustainable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Archer@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago Stallman is not a great person but he saw this coming decades ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 child) It still boggles my mind things can be licensed/copyrighted without being forced to disclose source code. The lack of transparency we're okay with in society is absolutely unsustainable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Archer@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago Stallman is not a great person but he saw this coming decades ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Archer@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago Stallman is not a great person but he saw this coming decades ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (3 children) This wouldn’t work to scale. If Valve paid to license the spec for the Linux kernel, it would have to pay for every person who downloaded the driver, which is far more than the amount of people who buy the Steam Cube. Unless of course you’re suggesting that the kernel driver for the new spec become closed source. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] legion02@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 child) OK. Fine. Then it's going to be reverse engineered and everyone will use it anyways and they'll get nothing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] iopq@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago It's not, people will just convert DP to HDMI and call it a day permalink fedilink source parent [–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago Unfortunately, I am — or rather, I am suggesting that Valve be granted a license they can use. I like open source, but not so much that I'd prefer hardware that already exists be held back a feature because others can't benefit for free. I'd prefer a workaround. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] legion02@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 child) OK. Fine. Then it's going to be reverse engineered and everyone will use it anyways and they'll get nothing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] iopq@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago It's not, people will just convert DP to HDMI and call it a day permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iopq@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago It's not, people will just convert DP to HDMI and call it a day permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago Unfortunately, I am — or rather, I am suggesting that Valve be granted a license they can use. I like open source, but not so much that I'd prefer hardware that already exists be held back a feature because others can't benefit for free. I'd prefer a workaround. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HelloRoot@lemy.lol 5 points 10 months ago If it ever gets open sourced, anybody will just use it without paying. permalink fedilink source parent