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Upwards mobility (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
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[+] -13 points 9 months ago (10 children)

You are contradicting yourself.

Do you want me to present you with a definition of "lie"? I believe you don't understand the phrase "Lies and creates shit".

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    They built something worse and we're still promoted for it despite it being demonstrably worse. Where's the lie? They described something complex and techy sounding, did it, and got the promotion anyway regardless of the actual results, proving the results didn't matter.

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  • [+] -8 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    So you want the manager to be cleverer than the engineer in engineering, so the manager would be able to detect a deliberate lie from the engineer?

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Yes, but more competent, not cleverer. Some managers aren't fit to be in IT.

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  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    You expect a manager to be more competent in engineering than an engineer? You expect the manager to always expect a lie from an engineer and recheck any data received from the engineer?

    Well, we have very different ideas about how engineers and managers work.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Technical managers exist. Yes, it's a manager's responsibility to understand the field he's working in. He doesn't need to be a more skilled engineer, but he needs to understand what his/her people are saying.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    but he needs to understand what his/her people are saying.

    It isn't enough to detect deliberate lies from an engineer like in this case.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    There are ways to know. Did the manager ask for proof of concept? Asked for performance tests of the update and compared it to existing/baseline?

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Did the manager ask

    How can I know? Plus engineer could easily lie as he did it right from the start.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Of course don't just ask the engineer. Any piece of code written by the engineer should ultimately be tested by a separate testing team before getting pushed to production. Ideally you have a performance and regression testing team that would help evaluate the changes being introduced and how it compares with the existing.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    I'd expect a manager to be able to determine that testing data for the new process is showing it is worse than the previous system it replaced, and NOT promote that person, at the very least ...

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