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[–] village604@adultswim.fan 49 points 10 months ago (10 children) Speed queen is one for washers and dryers permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (6 children) $1700 for a seven-year warranty. How much you want to bet it's specifically engineered to last no more than eight years? The water heater that came with my house I bought in '98 lasted 20 years. I replaced it with the best I could afford at the time, which had a seven-year warranty. It lasted just over seven years. I replaced that one a couple of months ago with the longest warranty one I could find, which is twelve years. I know I'll be replacing it in twelve years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] bizarroland@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago One thing to note is that planned obsolescence for machines is not something that is easy to do to the level that you're describing it. Even if they use substandard materials at specific junctures with an estimated wearout time limit, there's always the chance that a manufacturing flaw can increase the time between breakdowns I think a good follow-up plan would be something more like finding the parts that break down and then digitizing them and then contracting with a service like JLCPCB to manufacture those individual parts on demand. You could probably start a fairly successful company on just that if you had the time and energy to get the whole process rolling. A combination of a SLS 3D printer to make the parts out of metal, or, you know, really high-quality 3D printer to make them out of nylon or whatever plastic is necessary, and getting the appropriate springs and levers and bearings and everything to fill in the gaps, you probably could make a nice side business for yourself just custom making the parts that break down the most often for appliances. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) The water heater that came with my house I bought in '98 lasted 20 years. And by the time you got rid of it it was criminally inefficient. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BagOfHeavyStones@piefed.social 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) How can a resistive water heater be inefficient? (other than not being a heat pump?) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago As recently as the 1990s, even the most efficient gas water heaters only had a UEF of around 0.70 (i.e., 70%), meaning that at least 30% of the fuel used (or 30 cents of every dollar spent) was wasted and not producing usable hot water. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Where did OP say what type of water heater it was? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Taleya@aussie.zone 1 point 9 months ago Replace your sacrificial anode before that time and you'll be good. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Polkira@piefed.ca 9 points 10 months ago (2 children) Anything that's sold in Canada? I'm in the market for a new washer after my last two died on the 2 year mark. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Albbi@lemmy.ca 6 points 10 months ago (1 child) No warranty? If you bought with a credit card they usually have a warranty extension feature and will extend the manufacturer's warranty for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Polkira@piefed.ca 6 points 10 months ago The first one was 2 weeks outside of warranty, the second one we're currently waiting on the manufacturer and their mechanic. It's a whole thing but it's looking like it might be a refund at this point since it's taking so long for them to even come look at it. The first one wasn't repaired because the part was back-ordered and by the time we repaired it it wouldve ended up costing the same as a new one. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (6 children) $1700 for a seven-year warranty. How much you want to bet it's specifically engineered to last no more than eight years? The water heater that came with my house I bought in '98 lasted 20 years. I replaced it with the best I could afford at the time, which had a seven-year warranty. It lasted just over seven years. I replaced that one a couple of months ago with the longest warranty one I could find, which is twelve years. I know I'll be replacing it in twelve years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] bizarroland@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago One thing to note is that planned obsolescence for machines is not something that is easy to do to the level that you're describing it. Even if they use substandard materials at specific junctures with an estimated wearout time limit, there's always the chance that a manufacturing flaw can increase the time between breakdowns I think a good follow-up plan would be something more like finding the parts that break down and then digitizing them and then contracting with a service like JLCPCB to manufacture those individual parts on demand. You could probably start a fairly successful company on just that if you had the time and energy to get the whole process rolling. A combination of a SLS 3D printer to make the parts out of metal, or, you know, really high-quality 3D printer to make them out of nylon or whatever plastic is necessary, and getting the appropriate springs and levers and bearings and everything to fill in the gaps, you probably could make a nice side business for yourself just custom making the parts that break down the most often for appliances. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) The water heater that came with my house I bought in '98 lasted 20 years. And by the time you got rid of it it was criminally inefficient. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BagOfHeavyStones@piefed.social 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) How can a resistive water heater be inefficient? (other than not being a heat pump?) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago As recently as the 1990s, even the most efficient gas water heaters only had a UEF of around 0.70 (i.e., 70%), meaning that at least 30% of the fuel used (or 30 cents of every dollar spent) was wasted and not producing usable hot water. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Where did OP say what type of water heater it was? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Taleya@aussie.zone 1 point 9 months ago Replace your sacrificial anode before that time and you'll be good. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bizarroland@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago One thing to note is that planned obsolescence for machines is not something that is easy to do to the level that you're describing it. Even if they use substandard materials at specific junctures with an estimated wearout time limit, there's always the chance that a manufacturing flaw can increase the time between breakdowns I think a good follow-up plan would be something more like finding the parts that break down and then digitizing them and then contracting with a service like JLCPCB to manufacture those individual parts on demand. You could probably start a fairly successful company on just that if you had the time and energy to get the whole process rolling. A combination of a SLS 3D printer to make the parts out of metal, or, you know, really high-quality 3D printer to make them out of nylon or whatever plastic is necessary, and getting the appropriate springs and levers and bearings and everything to fill in the gaps, you probably could make a nice side business for yourself just custom making the parts that break down the most often for appliances. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) The water heater that came with my house I bought in '98 lasted 20 years. And by the time you got rid of it it was criminally inefficient. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BagOfHeavyStones@piefed.social 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) How can a resistive water heater be inefficient? (other than not being a heat pump?) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago As recently as the 1990s, even the most efficient gas water heaters only had a UEF of around 0.70 (i.e., 70%), meaning that at least 30% of the fuel used (or 30 cents of every dollar spent) was wasted and not producing usable hot water. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Where did OP say what type of water heater it was? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BagOfHeavyStones@piefed.social 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) How can a resistive water heater be inefficient? (other than not being a heat pump?) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago As recently as the 1990s, even the most efficient gas water heaters only had a UEF of around 0.70 (i.e., 70%), meaning that at least 30% of the fuel used (or 30 cents of every dollar spent) was wasted and not producing usable hot water. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Where did OP say what type of water heater it was? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago As recently as the 1990s, even the most efficient gas water heaters only had a UEF of around 0.70 (i.e., 70%), meaning that at least 30% of the fuel used (or 30 cents of every dollar spent) was wasted and not producing usable hot water. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Where did OP say what type of water heater it was? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 1 point 9 months ago Replace your sacrificial anode before that time and you'll be good. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Polkira@piefed.ca 9 points 10 months ago (2 children) Anything that's sold in Canada? I'm in the market for a new washer after my last two died on the 2 year mark. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Albbi@lemmy.ca 6 points 10 months ago (1 child) No warranty? If you bought with a credit card they usually have a warranty extension feature and will extend the manufacturer's warranty for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Polkira@piefed.ca 6 points 10 months ago The first one was 2 weeks outside of warranty, the second one we're currently waiting on the manufacturer and their mechanic. It's a whole thing but it's looking like it might be a refund at this point since it's taking so long for them to even come look at it. The first one wasn't repaired because the part was back-ordered and by the time we repaired it it wouldve ended up costing the same as a new one. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Albbi@lemmy.ca 6 points 10 months ago (1 child) No warranty? If you bought with a credit card they usually have a warranty extension feature and will extend the manufacturer's warranty for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Polkira@piefed.ca 6 points 10 months ago The first one was 2 weeks outside of warranty, the second one we're currently waiting on the manufacturer and their mechanic. It's a whole thing but it's looking like it might be a refund at this point since it's taking so long for them to even come look at it. The first one wasn't repaired because the part was back-ordered and by the time we repaired it it wouldve ended up costing the same as a new one. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Polkira@piefed.ca 6 points 10 months ago The first one was 2 weeks outside of warranty, the second one we're currently waiting on the manufacturer and their mechanic. It's a whole thing but it's looking like it might be a refund at this point since it's taking so long for them to even come look at it. The first one wasn't repaired because the part was back-ordered and by the time we repaired it it wouldve ended up costing the same as a new one. permalink fedilink source parent