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Eurogamer asked Valve if there had been any progress in helping games requiring kernel-level anti-cheat, with Valve responding that the Steam Machine's expected focus on multiplayer gaming could encou (lemmy.ml)
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[–] 66 points 10 months ago (11 children)

Kernel-level anti-cheat tools aren't even effective at stopping cheaters. They should just drop that dumb bullshit altogether.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago* (10 children)

    They stop a fair bit of attacks and vectors. There's many good defcon talks about this

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    Didn't they still use heuristics and known database? There's a video of a guy writing his own cheat and practically went undetected.

    This is the video: https://youtu.be/RwzIq04vd0M

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    Jesus fucking Christ.

    How are any anti-cheats supposed to detect the wild shit they're doing with hardware rendered hacking devices?

    Fuuuuuck.... 😩

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    You need to invest in server side detection, which is more expensive than slapping their eac bandaid on it and calling it a day.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (5 children)

    Server side detection still won't catch the ESP and wallhacks that run entirely clientside, let alone the methods here using custom hardware and/or a seperate computer to actually run the hack. Nothing is being sent to the game or server at all to detect.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    I fail to see how you couldn't account for it, in this case you could just enforce facing as a value that is sent to the server and then just use a review like some games have, it wouldn't protect against large volumes of cheaters, but there are other methods that could be employed for en masse. You wouldn't necessarily get an instant response, but you would get all of the wallers who aren't insanely good at hiding it.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    I mean, the solution here is to stop being lazy and sending enemy position information when there's no possible way for you to see them, but again, that takes a tiny bit more processing power.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children)

    I mean, even that doesn’t stop aimbots. They’ll just snap directly to the enemy’s head as soon as they’re visible. If anything, this would make programming aimbots easier in several ways, because a big part of programming a good aimbot is figuring out how to prevent snapping to enemies through walls. If the server is already handling that, the aimbot won’t need to bother with it.

    If anything, a stupid simple method of server-side aimbot detection would simply be to create phantom player locations. Like randomly generate fake player locations without any character models. Invisible to regular players, but anyone who snaps to that fake location just got busted for aimbotting.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago*

    If anything, a stupid simple method of server-side aimbot detection would simply be to create phantom player locations. Like randomly generate fake player locations without any character models. Invisible to regular players, but anyone who snaps to that fake location just got busted for aimbotting.

    That does not work at all for pixel detection bots. They're not reading game information; they're monitoring the video output. Either directly from the HDMI output or by just using image capture on the monitor. You never have to touch the game, or even the machine the game is running on. There is absolutely nothing to detect!

    You'd have to rely on seeing them visually to identify the cheaters. Which is next to impossible if they are good enough to hide it.

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