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Eurogamer asked Valve if there had been any progress in helping games requiring kernel-level anti-cheat, with Valve responding that the Steam Machine's expected focus on multiplayer gaming could encou (lemmy.ml)
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[–] 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The burden should be on the developers and a server side solution. No PC should be invaded with software to stop cheating. It's cat and mouse anyway with client side detection, by chasing it so hard they are just incentivizing the creation of less and less detectable cheats.

The whole "its an untampered system" thing doesnt work. It's like Secure Boot now randomly being required in games. No user should have to enable or disable anything like that just to run a game. It's their device, they should have the freedom to do what they want and still run an application.

I think the invasion of bots in games is ruining them personally, no matter how old I get, or how bad I get at them, I still want to play against real players. I wouldnt mind a mode with just AI for people, but they should never be mixed in with real players.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (1 child)

    The burden should be on the developers and a server side solution.

    There are some fundamental limitations on what you can do with purely server-side solutions. If you're playing online card games, sure, you can do viable pure server-side stuff to resist most cheating. That'll get everything short of using, say, a calculator to compute probabilities or count cards or something.

    But with, say, FPSes, that's not really practical. You need to have some information on the client that the player shouldn't be privy to to mitigate things like latency. For example, if another player runs around the edge of a wall and becomes visible, your client needs to know that it's behind the wall and rounding the corner to rapidly show the opposing character becoming visible. And that means trusting client side code to not be running a wallhack. And that entails trusted hardware to do reliably, and that can't be done by the game developer

    it's gotta have support from Valve if you want that.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    It's practical, VACnet has existed for over a decade. It might not be perfect, but it's a start and any company serious about anti-cheat could take that premise further.

    The downside is that cheaters have to play at least a game before they are detected. Client side stuff is better for initial prevention, but even that's becoming trivial as most good cheats dont even run on the same computer as the game anymore, circumventing all AC software anyway. If your game costs money to play, that's already one of the biggest hurdles, so prevention isn't worth chasing at the expense of privacy and security of users.

    Any downsides from server-side are nothing in comparison to the downsides of client side anti-cheat.

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