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Eurogamer asked Valve if there had been any progress in helping games requiring kernel-level anti-cheat, with Valve responding that the Steam Machine's expected focus on multiplayer gaming could encou (lemmy.ml)
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https://www.eurogamer.net/will-battlefield-6-work-on-steam-machine-valve-hopes-its-new-hardware-will-prompt-a-fresh-discussion-with-developers-over-kernel-level-anti-cheat

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[–] 9 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Which is what server side AC solves, they don't want to do it because of money and expertise required vs here have a rootkit.

VACnet has always been like this, trained on all the games played. It's had its problems sure, but I have never had to install a rootkit to play their video games. That's the baseline any other game should be achieving.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    IMO, I think it also has a lot to do with consoles, and how relying on the platform as a closed and secure system feeds into the thinking going on here. "Turn the PC into something we trust like a console" explains everything.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    You're probably right, I can't wrap my head around people wanting to be controlled like that sometimes, wanting such intrusive and dangerous software installed just to play a video game. It's PC, we don't want a console experience. Even Valve that are making these products is making sure you can just use it like a PC.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    Doesn't look like Vacnet solves anything. Not even wall-hacks. I'm not defending kernel level anticheats btw. I'm argueing that dismissive comments like "devs are lazy" do not have real world basis. It is possible that comprehensive anti cheat is an unsolvable problem. Trust based solutions may be the right way, but in the form of peers trusting each other, as opposed to third party having obscure trust to participants system.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    There's no solution that solves it. There never will be.

    "Devs are lazy" boils down to management deciding to take a shortcut. Implementing a kernel level AC, as a "that will do" solution, instead if investing in a better one.

    I dont know what you are suggesting with trust, that can only apply with private games. Valve do have a "trust factor" system too, which uses data from your entire Steam account to determine how likely you are to cheat or not.

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