Welcome to human nature.

It's easy to look at Reddit or any other communities and pin the blame all the bad things on mods, admins, or whoever in charge. However, the truth is, anyone who gets in any position of power will make decisions that may not benefit the larger whole or reflect the community at large. Lemmy will deal with this, just as Reddit dealt with it (and succeeded in spite of it).

Hmm.

Consider that Beehaw is more comparable to a major subreddit already. Lets say /r/wsb was having issues with new trolling users and they decide to go private for a week to preserve their culture (and have done in the past before).

Now instead of "just" one subreddit making that decision, the entire alignment of Beehaw (including all their communities) made a decision in one fell swoop.

No matter how you look at it, this is better for the Beehaw community already than what we've had in Reddit. And yeah, it sucks for us here in lemmy.world to not talk with Beehaw and for those users to not talk with us for now, but like /r/wsb, there's no reason why this has to be a permanent defederation. They can refederate after this "Reddit Boom" and when traffic slows down maybe a week or two from now and their moderators/admins can keep up with the new influx of users.

From the perspective of "What Lemmy-software needs to do", perhaps a "super-moderator", below Admin but above moderator who has access to user-bans and/or user-vetting is what's needed for this community. That way, Beehaw and Lemmy.world can re-federate, Beehaw can appoint community leaders who can perform user-vetting (Gmail-like invitations), but Beehaw admins remain the admins. And they get to have tight control over poorly-behaving users from other instances (ie: blocking them out entirely until they're vetted or invited in).

Isn't that a bit entitled? Reddit was a company who made money with their users, but Lemmy isn't run by a company, it's run by volunteers. Running a small server is one thing, but who is going to moderate content from 100'000s of users, content generated by an instance that doesn't even have any basic restrictions on it's userbase? What if a large group of people start spamming illegal shit? What if there is suddenly cp showing up on your server instance? Who is going to deal with that, what are the legal implications for that?

One might assume they quit their server, but they didn't.. They just temporarily disabled federation because they feel that they don't have the capabilities to moderate that many users.. You can still apply for a local account on their instance, you can still browse their content without an account..

EDIT: You can even still browse content from beehawk and comment on it, but comments made from lemmy.world will not be visible by beehawk.

Yes, if my instance unfederated with beehaw I'd have to find a new instance, those two !communities are too large a portion of the current fediverse activity.

This is bad for fediverse adoption, even if there is merit to the behavioural issues.

It would be good if Lemmy server tools allowed admins to remove an instance from their front-page without stopping user access.

The nature of federated platforms is that every so often one of the instances decides it wants to take its ball and go home, and all of its members either return to centralized platforms or join up with other instances.