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Match made in hell (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
submitted 10 months ago by to c/whitepeopletwitter@sh.itjust.works
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[–] 6 points 10 months ago (17 children)

As an atheist vegan, those two things aren't even remotely equivalent. "I go to church on Sunday" isn't the same as "My job is hacking apart animals".

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    To be fair a butcher usually isn't killing the animals. I'm not sure that you could say a butcher contributes much to animal suffering. You could argue its part of the meat industry so its all bad, but its not the butchers fault that people want to buy it.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I didn't say that they contributed to animal suffering. I said that they hack apart animals.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    From a vegan standpoint, I dont see how a dead animal can suffer more.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Both the vegan and religious person are judging their partner for how they fundamentally live their life. And low key (if not full throated) simmer in the evilness of you not living right and want you converted to save you.

    Religious people don't "just go to church on Sunday" and are atheist the rest of the week. (Does not apply to closet atheists)

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    What makes you think that you can make that blanket generalization about all religious people? Not only do different religions hold wildly varying points of view, but there are wide varieties of opinion within the same religion.

    Do you honestly think that every member of every religion on the planet thinks that you're evil and need to be saved?

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  • [+] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)
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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Where to start? Not all religions try to convert you. For example, Judaism doesn't. You can convert, if you're willing to put in the work, but you have to be persistent since it's discouraged.

    Not all religions believe in Hell. Or have a concept like sin. There are even sects of Christianity that don't believe in Hell!

    I've studied many religions when trying to figure out my place in the world.

    What did you think about Buddhism? Wicca? Neo-paganism?

    I'm a Satanist. We don't look down on you for being an atheist, because most of us are atheists, too. We don't believe in Hell or Heaven. We won't try to convert you because we respect your autonomy.

    I've never had any other religion treat me the way you've described. Only Christians, and even then, only certain sects of Christians.

    I recommend finding a Unitarian Universalist church and attending at least once. They accept anybody: atheist, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, whatever. I ultimately decided that it wasn't for me, but it was an interesting experience.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    UU was fine. I'm not looking for a congregation, so not my cup of tea.

    I really liked Buddhism until it got into the mysticism and some of the suburban converts were super obnoxious. I also don't believe in any mysticism, so Wicca and similar are out. I'd love to believe. I want to be able to do magic.

    My best friend is Jewish (converted) and I appreciate the lack of judgement from her and her friends. But they still live varying lifestyles that seem important to them, but I don't see how it gets me closer to god. Plus, it doesn't seem appropriate for me.

    Honestly, the Satanists resonate the most. But it's also a religion to make sure religion stays separate from the American government. The point of it is that people who want to live a certain way can do it without a sanctioned religion breathing down their neck or burning them at the stake. You are right about Satanists/Atheists. The Satanists like you aren't believers, you are just trying to be good people. But you are also going to get judged in the Bible Belt if you are public about it and told you are going to hell. Other than supporting the cause, I'm already doing my best to live by the tenets, since before I knew about them.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    If you found out your partner was a rapist or murderer would you judge them and want them to stop ? What’s the difference here other than the victim?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    I don't understand your point. Is this because of the vegan point of view that that's what happens to the livestock?

    If you are really asking, I have answers.

    But, if your questions are about animal consumption, I'm not in any way saying people shouldn't be vegan.

    I was taking issue that equating someone who goes to church once a week (and does nothing else) is NOT the same as a vegan who is vegan 24/7.

    Someone was trying to say it was the same thing. Like vegans are only vegan when it's convenient, or one meal a week only. So it would be super easy for a butcher and a vegan to be partners in that case. My argument is that while it could happen, someone is compromising a lot or not really walking the walk.

    Religious people are to vegans What Non practicing people are to omnivores that eat vegan sometimes.

    If you're only doing it once a week, there's not going to be much friction.

    Saying otherwise about people who live their beliefs 24/7 is minimizing the strong beliefs of religious people and vegans.

    My point was that religious people aren't just perfomative one day a week. It's going to bother the true believers to see their partners doing things that go against their beliefs.

    Including a lot of vegans.

    Some exceptions always, because humans are complicated.

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    The cruelty and suffering decreases the flavor slightly & I would prefer hacked up animals that had a good life before intervention.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I think that the animals would prefer to not be dead.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    animal behaviorists have tried to gauge whether animals understand that they ,themselves, might die. they call it understanding "personal mortality" and, as far as I'm aware, they have not been able to prove do understand personal mortality

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