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[–] 132 points 10 months ago (26 children)

I think the main focus here should be the word "influencers".

One thing is for a relatively unknown person to speak about any kind of topic even if they know nothing about it.

But when someone with millions of followers spreads misinfo, that is dangerous as it can end up killing lots of people.

People with a certain amount of followers should be held accountable for what they say the same way that a newspaper should.

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  • [–] 23 points 10 months ago

    sure, but that's not what this is doing. it doesn't say they'll be held accountable. it just places a high barrier to entry.

    i understand the sentiment behind it, but I don't think this will be effective at curtailing disinformation. it would, however, be a very useful tool for controlling online speech. especially with a government that has so much control over its universities.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    If we held news accountable for misinformation then fox and all the other fascist networks wouldn’t even exist.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    Yeah, I think if it's more about policing the misinformation influencers spread, then I can calm down a bit, although it still makes me nervous to think about the government picking and choosing what a person with a crowd can say.

    For now, it's making sure influencers don't spread anti-vax bullshit, but what if tomorrow it's no talking about Palestine?

    Even then, medical professionals themselves can fall to propaganda and spread lies, so we can't use a single person as an arbiter of truth.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Yeah I gotta agree with you on this, there's a frankly insane amount of pull these people have in society and as we saw during the pandemic not only did it cause people to endanger their own health, but those of others around them.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    There's a lot of nuance to be discussed and Republicans shouldn't be in the room at all when it is, but yeah this is objectively true. We used to have laws regulating the news for a reason.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (15 children)

    main focus here should be the word “influencers”

    So, anyone: got it.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (14 children)

    Is that what your attention span lasts? Or are you leaving the rest of the comment out on purpose for some reason?

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (13 children)

    When an influencer is literally anyone online, then yes: anyone. Nothing else you wrote matters, because anyone can be an influencer.

    People should be held accountable for their lapses in judgement to believe whatever: they aren't mindless automatons. We can't depend on anyone (certainly not big daddy government) but ourselves to think critically for us.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (12 children)

    So you didn't read past the first sentence, got it.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (11 children)

    Nah, your point is worthless. Here's a nice picture.
    meme strong arms join to form a pact: authoritarian leftists & fascists agree: end liberal democracy

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (10 children)

    Ah... I see... My bad, I understood it too late that I wasn't talking with someone able to fully read a comment before making a "sharp" remark about it.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (9 children)

    Get butthurt all you want about others not caring about & disagreeing with your point.

    Someone's lack of sense to question unreliable information is entirely their fault. That's no justification to violate a fundamental right.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (8 children)

    Not butthurt at all. I just accepted that I'm not discussing with someone capable of reading a comment beyond the first sentence of it. It's fine tho, I'm not gonna explain it again just because you refuse to read the first comment.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (7 children)

    You don't need to explain your delusion that critics didn't read your comment.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (6 children)

    "I'm a free speech absolutist who can't read and believes that people shouldn't be held responsible for what they say".

    You're not a critic, you just sound awfully like a maga snowflake yelling "but muh freedom!".

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (5 children)

    Let's hold people responsible for what they say by violating freedom of speech.

    Little Jimmy injured himself trying to fly like Superman, so we must hold those media execs responsible by violating freedom of expression.

    Nah, shit argument: mere falsehoods do not incite imminent, unlawful harm. The time to discuss & criticize that speech before acting is unbounded. Any harm is the own doing & responsibility of someone failing to exercise reasonable sense of challenging unsound information & sources.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (4 children)

    You keep sounding like a maga snowflake that doesn't like when their words bring them consequences. It's fine tho, I understand that you are not equipped to understand the nuances of freedom of speech and its limitations.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

    Calling anyone who doesn't oppose free speech MAGA (a straw man or ad hominem fallacy) isn't serving you. Mere falsehoods do not constitute violations of free speech limitations (eg, true threats, defamation, imminent lawless action). Try respecting logic.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    You are trying to debate something you haven't read in the first place. And you ask me to "respect logic". I mean... try respecting logic?

    You just seem offended by something you simply refuse to read, which is very much in line with what MAGAs do. As I said, you are not ready to discuss the limits to free speech and the concept of "consequences to what you say".

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    You are trying to debate something you haven’t read in the first place.

    I refer you back to

    You don’t need to explain your delusion that critics didn’t read your comment.

    Everything else you wrote was addressed.

    concept of “consequences to what you say”

    Right: criticism, condemnation.

    Those taking ill-advised actions causing actual (not imaginary) harm must bear the consequences of their actions, not anyone else who didn't make them do it.

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  • See? But you didn't address anything because, by your own admission, you didn't read my comment. So you don't even know what you are criticizing. You are just butthurt because someone dared to defy "your freedom".

    Just admit that you don't want responsibilities for your words. That's it, that's all you are saying. And that is a very MAGA thing.

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