β² 281 βΌ Yemen says ready to join Colombia-proposed βglobal armyβ to liberate Palestine π«‘ (www.presstv.ir) submitted 10 months ago by mistermodal@lemmy.ml [B] to c/worldnews@lemmy.ml 92 comments fedilink hide all child comments No. No, I just got something in my eye. I'm fine.
[β] CatsPajamas@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 10 months ago (29 children) Nuance really is dead, huh? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 29 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 11 points 10 months ago (27 children) You sure are nuancing away all the gay people in Gaza massacred by the West. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 27 child comments replies: [β] CatsPajamas@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 10 months ago (26 children) Literally what the fuck are you talking about? Jesus Christ way to prove the point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 26 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago (25 children) The mass murder of gay people in Gaza by the West. Statistics estimate 5-10% of people are gay so that would be at least 3000-6000 gay people mass murdered by the West in Gaza. Assuming a low estimate of 3000: Is 13 gay people killed is worse than 3000? Of course not but you're fine with the 3000, because the 3000 were gay people executed and blown up by the West, and not by brown people. And when white Ubermenschen with superior technological airplanes and snipers mass murder gay brown people it doesn't count for you because they are brown Untermenschen and should know their place. And not just gay people. Women, children, men, the West is just killing everyone. 60.000 at the very least already. And who is defending those 3000 gay people killed by the West? That's right, Yemen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world -5 points 10 months ago* (24 children) The existence of queer people in the general population isn't in question, though. How that statistic is relevant to Yemen's human right's record is what we're confused about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 months ago (23 children) They are fighting the worlds largest armies in order to stop genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (22 children) Sure, and that's a good thing for them to be doing. What does that have to do with their human right's record? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (21 children) If you watch this video fully you'll understand https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZc5Mbix3VE permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (20 children) Do you have a timestamp to the relevant portion? Because the first ten minutes do not address how the problematic support for Graham Platner is at all connected to how Yemen's commitment to a (noble) military coalition thus excuses their human rights record. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago* (19 children) Understanding Graham Platners background is essential to understanding the American Surpremacy which is the topic of the video. If you genuinely think Yemen has a worse track record than the US after watching the full video then I can't help you. Around 25:00 there's a great point wich requires the prior context. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (18 children) You're dodging the question: Why does Yemen's involvement in this coalition excuse it's human right's record? American supremacy is an important topic, yes, but it has nothing to do with Yemen's internal human rights record, which is the topic being discussed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (11 children) They are risking their lives fighting a genocide that puts them straight at the top of human rights with nothing to gain from it while everyone else is complicit and nodding along. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (10 children) So your position is that the good someone does excuses the evil they also do. An interesting position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Which is what you did regarding the USA permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Where have I done that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) You said that yes the USA did bad stuffs but they still give the most aid to other countries which many of them was destoyed by the US imperial policies as if the aid wipe up all the terrible think the empire did permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago I think you've misunderstood - what I said was that the US being the "paragon" of humanitarian aid doesn't excuse the crimes they have committed, much as Yemen's agreement to aid colombia in this should not mean we overlook their history of human rights abuses. permalink fedilink source parent [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago* (5 children) No that seems to be your position based on our conversation. But you refuse to acknowledge the evils done by the West because they are Ubermenschen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (4 children) Take the US: itβs done undeniably evil things I'm not sure how I could be more explicit about acknowledging the evil things done by the US than to say "They have done undeniably evil things". But while I've repeatedly done that, and lauded how Yemen's involvement in this coalition is a morally correct choice, you have repeatedly avoided addressing that Yemen's persecution of queer people is wrong, while falsely claiming that I'm somehow denying the west's evils. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Yemen comes out on top by simply committing far less evil than the rest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) by simply committing far less evil than the rest So you do agree that they're doing evil things. But you're willing to overlook them, because in your eyes they are doing less of it than other people. While I doubt the strict accuracy of that claim (yemen does a lot of human rights violations and there are many other countries that simply do not have the population to compete with them in volume), I am glad we can agree that their doing good things does not negate the evils they also commit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) Yes it turns out that the poorest and most oppressed people are not perfect victims. But they are much better than their perfect oppressors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Okay, I'm glad we have that sorted out! permalink fedilink source parent [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (5 children) If the USA wans't involved in the Yemeni revolution Houthis woudln't exists. The only revolt that was relatively succesful was the one where the west didn't interfere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (4 children) I'm... not sure what bearing that has on this conversation. As far as I'm aware, the west is only involved in this by supporting Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Saudis Arabia was involved in creating chaos in Yemen fully backed by the USA. In Sudan the UAE another american ally are arming the RSF. Everywhere the US or it's allies go chaos rein permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Okay and we shouldn't excuse the western powers behavior, but unless the US was persecuting queer Yemeni on behalf of the Yemeni government, it's still not relevant to the topic being discussed here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Israel do not descriminate with their bombing between a lgbtq palestinians and straight palestinians with the US bombing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* Absolutely correct. They barely consider Palestinians human as it is. permalink fedilink source parent [β] redparadise@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 10 months ago Supporting and applauding Yemen's blocade against Israel doesn't mean one also supports every single one of their other actions, priorities need to be decided in times like these, same way it's stupid to condemn Hamas when it's literally resisting genocide. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 11 points 10 months ago (27 children) You sure are nuancing away all the gay people in Gaza massacred by the West. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 27 child comments replies: [β] CatsPajamas@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 10 months ago (26 children) Literally what the fuck are you talking about? Jesus Christ way to prove the point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 26 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago (25 children) The mass murder of gay people in Gaza by the West. Statistics estimate 5-10% of people are gay so that would be at least 3000-6000 gay people mass murdered by the West in Gaza. Assuming a low estimate of 3000: Is 13 gay people killed is worse than 3000? Of course not but you're fine with the 3000, because the 3000 were gay people executed and blown up by the West, and not by brown people. And when white Ubermenschen with superior technological airplanes and snipers mass murder gay brown people it doesn't count for you because they are brown Untermenschen and should know their place. And not just gay people. Women, children, men, the West is just killing everyone. 60.000 at the very least already. And who is defending those 3000 gay people killed by the West? That's right, Yemen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world -5 points 10 months ago* (24 children) The existence of queer people in the general population isn't in question, though. How that statistic is relevant to Yemen's human right's record is what we're confused about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 months ago (23 children) They are fighting the worlds largest armies in order to stop genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (22 children) Sure, and that's a good thing for them to be doing. What does that have to do with their human right's record? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (21 children) If you watch this video fully you'll understand https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZc5Mbix3VE permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (20 children) Do you have a timestamp to the relevant portion? Because the first ten minutes do not address how the problematic support for Graham Platner is at all connected to how Yemen's commitment to a (noble) military coalition thus excuses their human rights record. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago* (19 children) Understanding Graham Platners background is essential to understanding the American Surpremacy which is the topic of the video. If you genuinely think Yemen has a worse track record than the US after watching the full video then I can't help you. Around 25:00 there's a great point wich requires the prior context. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (18 children) You're dodging the question: Why does Yemen's involvement in this coalition excuse it's human right's record? American supremacy is an important topic, yes, but it has nothing to do with Yemen's internal human rights record, which is the topic being discussed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (11 children) They are risking their lives fighting a genocide that puts them straight at the top of human rights with nothing to gain from it while everyone else is complicit and nodding along. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (10 children) So your position is that the good someone does excuses the evil they also do. An interesting position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Which is what you did regarding the USA permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Where have I done that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) You said that yes the USA did bad stuffs but they still give the most aid to other countries which many of them was destoyed by the US imperial policies as if the aid wipe up all the terrible think the empire did permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago I think you've misunderstood - what I said was that the US being the "paragon" of humanitarian aid doesn't excuse the crimes they have committed, much as Yemen's agreement to aid colombia in this should not mean we overlook their history of human rights abuses. permalink fedilink source parent [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago* (5 children) No that seems to be your position based on our conversation. But you refuse to acknowledge the evils done by the West because they are Ubermenschen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (4 children) Take the US: itβs done undeniably evil things I'm not sure how I could be more explicit about acknowledging the evil things done by the US than to say "They have done undeniably evil things". But while I've repeatedly done that, and lauded how Yemen's involvement in this coalition is a morally correct choice, you have repeatedly avoided addressing that Yemen's persecution of queer people is wrong, while falsely claiming that I'm somehow denying the west's evils. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Yemen comes out on top by simply committing far less evil than the rest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) by simply committing far less evil than the rest So you do agree that they're doing evil things. But you're willing to overlook them, because in your eyes they are doing less of it than other people. While I doubt the strict accuracy of that claim (yemen does a lot of human rights violations and there are many other countries that simply do not have the population to compete with them in volume), I am glad we can agree that their doing good things does not negate the evils they also commit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) Yes it turns out that the poorest and most oppressed people are not perfect victims. But they are much better than their perfect oppressors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Okay, I'm glad we have that sorted out! permalink fedilink source parent [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (5 children) If the USA wans't involved in the Yemeni revolution Houthis woudln't exists. The only revolt that was relatively succesful was the one where the west didn't interfere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (4 children) I'm... not sure what bearing that has on this conversation. As far as I'm aware, the west is only involved in this by supporting Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Saudis Arabia was involved in creating chaos in Yemen fully backed by the USA. In Sudan the UAE another american ally are arming the RSF. Everywhere the US or it's allies go chaos rein permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Okay and we shouldn't excuse the western powers behavior, but unless the US was persecuting queer Yemeni on behalf of the Yemeni government, it's still not relevant to the topic being discussed here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Israel do not descriminate with their bombing between a lgbtq palestinians and straight palestinians with the US bombing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* Absolutely correct. They barely consider Palestinians human as it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] CatsPajamas@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 10 months ago (26 children) Literally what the fuck are you talking about? Jesus Christ way to prove the point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 26 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago (25 children) The mass murder of gay people in Gaza by the West. Statistics estimate 5-10% of people are gay so that would be at least 3000-6000 gay people mass murdered by the West in Gaza. Assuming a low estimate of 3000: Is 13 gay people killed is worse than 3000? Of course not but you're fine with the 3000, because the 3000 were gay people executed and blown up by the West, and not by brown people. And when white Ubermenschen with superior technological airplanes and snipers mass murder gay brown people it doesn't count for you because they are brown Untermenschen and should know their place. And not just gay people. Women, children, men, the West is just killing everyone. 60.000 at the very least already. And who is defending those 3000 gay people killed by the West? That's right, Yemen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world -5 points 10 months ago* (24 children) The existence of queer people in the general population isn't in question, though. How that statistic is relevant to Yemen's human right's record is what we're confused about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 months ago (23 children) They are fighting the worlds largest armies in order to stop genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (22 children) Sure, and that's a good thing for them to be doing. What does that have to do with their human right's record? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (21 children) If you watch this video fully you'll understand https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZc5Mbix3VE permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (20 children) Do you have a timestamp to the relevant portion? Because the first ten minutes do not address how the problematic support for Graham Platner is at all connected to how Yemen's commitment to a (noble) military coalition thus excuses their human rights record. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago* (19 children) Understanding Graham Platners background is essential to understanding the American Surpremacy which is the topic of the video. If you genuinely think Yemen has a worse track record than the US after watching the full video then I can't help you. Around 25:00 there's a great point wich requires the prior context. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (18 children) You're dodging the question: Why does Yemen's involvement in this coalition excuse it's human right's record? American supremacy is an important topic, yes, but it has nothing to do with Yemen's internal human rights record, which is the topic being discussed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (11 children) They are risking their lives fighting a genocide that puts them straight at the top of human rights with nothing to gain from it while everyone else is complicit and nodding along. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (10 children) So your position is that the good someone does excuses the evil they also do. An interesting position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Which is what you did regarding the USA permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Where have I done that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) You said that yes the USA did bad stuffs but they still give the most aid to other countries which many of them was destoyed by the US imperial policies as if the aid wipe up all the terrible think the empire did permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago I think you've misunderstood - what I said was that the US being the "paragon" of humanitarian aid doesn't excuse the crimes they have committed, much as Yemen's agreement to aid colombia in this should not mean we overlook their history of human rights abuses. permalink fedilink source parent [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago* (5 children) No that seems to be your position based on our conversation. But you refuse to acknowledge the evils done by the West because they are Ubermenschen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (4 children) Take the US: itβs done undeniably evil things I'm not sure how I could be more explicit about acknowledging the evil things done by the US than to say "They have done undeniably evil things". But while I've repeatedly done that, and lauded how Yemen's involvement in this coalition is a morally correct choice, you have repeatedly avoided addressing that Yemen's persecution of queer people is wrong, while falsely claiming that I'm somehow denying the west's evils. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Yemen comes out on top by simply committing far less evil than the rest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) by simply committing far less evil than the rest So you do agree that they're doing evil things. But you're willing to overlook them, because in your eyes they are doing less of it than other people. While I doubt the strict accuracy of that claim (yemen does a lot of human rights violations and there are many other countries that simply do not have the population to compete with them in volume), I am glad we can agree that their doing good things does not negate the evils they also commit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) Yes it turns out that the poorest and most oppressed people are not perfect victims. But they are much better than their perfect oppressors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Okay, I'm glad we have that sorted out! permalink fedilink source parent [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (5 children) If the USA wans't involved in the Yemeni revolution Houthis woudln't exists. The only revolt that was relatively succesful was the one where the west didn't interfere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (4 children) I'm... not sure what bearing that has on this conversation. As far as I'm aware, the west is only involved in this by supporting Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Saudis Arabia was involved in creating chaos in Yemen fully backed by the USA. In Sudan the UAE another american ally are arming the RSF. Everywhere the US or it's allies go chaos rein permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Okay and we shouldn't excuse the western powers behavior, but unless the US was persecuting queer Yemeni on behalf of the Yemeni government, it's still not relevant to the topic being discussed here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Israel do not descriminate with their bombing between a lgbtq palestinians and straight palestinians with the US bombing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* Absolutely correct. They barely consider Palestinians human as it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago (25 children) The mass murder of gay people in Gaza by the West. Statistics estimate 5-10% of people are gay so that would be at least 3000-6000 gay people mass murdered by the West in Gaza. Assuming a low estimate of 3000: Is 13 gay people killed is worse than 3000? Of course not but you're fine with the 3000, because the 3000 were gay people executed and blown up by the West, and not by brown people. And when white Ubermenschen with superior technological airplanes and snipers mass murder gay brown people it doesn't count for you because they are brown Untermenschen and should know their place. And not just gay people. Women, children, men, the West is just killing everyone. 60.000 at the very least already. And who is defending those 3000 gay people killed by the West? That's right, Yemen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world -5 points 10 months ago* (24 children) The existence of queer people in the general population isn't in question, though. How that statistic is relevant to Yemen's human right's record is what we're confused about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 months ago (23 children) They are fighting the worlds largest armies in order to stop genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (22 children) Sure, and that's a good thing for them to be doing. What does that have to do with their human right's record? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (21 children) If you watch this video fully you'll understand https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZc5Mbix3VE permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (20 children) Do you have a timestamp to the relevant portion? Because the first ten minutes do not address how the problematic support for Graham Platner is at all connected to how Yemen's commitment to a (noble) military coalition thus excuses their human rights record. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago* (19 children) Understanding Graham Platners background is essential to understanding the American Surpremacy which is the topic of the video. If you genuinely think Yemen has a worse track record than the US after watching the full video then I can't help you. Around 25:00 there's a great point wich requires the prior context. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (18 children) You're dodging the question: Why does Yemen's involvement in this coalition excuse it's human right's record? American supremacy is an important topic, yes, but it has nothing to do with Yemen's internal human rights record, which is the topic being discussed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (11 children) They are risking their lives fighting a genocide that puts them straight at the top of human rights with nothing to gain from it while everyone else is complicit and nodding along. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (10 children) So your position is that the good someone does excuses the evil they also do. An interesting position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Which is what you did regarding the USA permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Where have I done that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) You said that yes the USA did bad stuffs but they still give the most aid to other countries which many of them was destoyed by the US imperial policies as if the aid wipe up all the terrible think the empire did permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago I think you've misunderstood - what I said was that the US being the "paragon" of humanitarian aid doesn't excuse the crimes they have committed, much as Yemen's agreement to aid colombia in this should not mean we overlook their history of human rights abuses. permalink fedilink source parent [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago* (5 children) No that seems to be your position based on our conversation. But you refuse to acknowledge the evils done by the West because they are Ubermenschen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (4 children) Take the US: itβs done undeniably evil things I'm not sure how I could be more explicit about acknowledging the evil things done by the US than to say "They have done undeniably evil things". But while I've repeatedly done that, and lauded how Yemen's involvement in this coalition is a morally correct choice, you have repeatedly avoided addressing that Yemen's persecution of queer people is wrong, while falsely claiming that I'm somehow denying the west's evils. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Yemen comes out on top by simply committing far less evil than the rest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) by simply committing far less evil than the rest So you do agree that they're doing evil things. But you're willing to overlook them, because in your eyes they are doing less of it than other people. While I doubt the strict accuracy of that claim (yemen does a lot of human rights violations and there are many other countries that simply do not have the population to compete with them in volume), I am glad we can agree that their doing good things does not negate the evils they also commit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) Yes it turns out that the poorest and most oppressed people are not perfect victims. But they are much better than their perfect oppressors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Okay, I'm glad we have that sorted out! permalink fedilink source parent [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (5 children) If the USA wans't involved in the Yemeni revolution Houthis woudln't exists. The only revolt that was relatively succesful was the one where the west didn't interfere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (4 children) I'm... not sure what bearing that has on this conversation. As far as I'm aware, the west is only involved in this by supporting Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Saudis Arabia was involved in creating chaos in Yemen fully backed by the USA. In Sudan the UAE another american ally are arming the RSF. Everywhere the US or it's allies go chaos rein permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Okay and we shouldn't excuse the western powers behavior, but unless the US was persecuting queer Yemeni on behalf of the Yemeni government, it's still not relevant to the topic being discussed here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Israel do not descriminate with their bombing between a lgbtq palestinians and straight palestinians with the US bombing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* Absolutely correct. They barely consider Palestinians human as it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world -5 points 10 months ago* (24 children) The existence of queer people in the general population isn't in question, though. How that statistic is relevant to Yemen's human right's record is what we're confused about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 months ago (23 children) They are fighting the worlds largest armies in order to stop genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (22 children) Sure, and that's a good thing for them to be doing. What does that have to do with their human right's record? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (21 children) If you watch this video fully you'll understand https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZc5Mbix3VE permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (20 children) Do you have a timestamp to the relevant portion? Because the first ten minutes do not address how the problematic support for Graham Platner is at all connected to how Yemen's commitment to a (noble) military coalition thus excuses their human rights record. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago* (19 children) Understanding Graham Platners background is essential to understanding the American Surpremacy which is the topic of the video. If you genuinely think Yemen has a worse track record than the US after watching the full video then I can't help you. Around 25:00 there's a great point wich requires the prior context. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (18 children) You're dodging the question: Why does Yemen's involvement in this coalition excuse it's human right's record? American supremacy is an important topic, yes, but it has nothing to do with Yemen's internal human rights record, which is the topic being discussed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (11 children) They are risking their lives fighting a genocide that puts them straight at the top of human rights with nothing to gain from it while everyone else is complicit and nodding along. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (10 children) So your position is that the good someone does excuses the evil they also do. An interesting position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Which is what you did regarding the USA permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Where have I done that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) You said that yes the USA did bad stuffs but they still give the most aid to other countries which many of them was destoyed by the US imperial policies as if the aid wipe up all the terrible think the empire did permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago I think you've misunderstood - what I said was that the US being the "paragon" of humanitarian aid doesn't excuse the crimes they have committed, much as Yemen's agreement to aid colombia in this should not mean we overlook their history of human rights abuses. permalink fedilink source parent [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago* (5 children) No that seems to be your position based on our conversation. But you refuse to acknowledge the evils done by the West because they are Ubermenschen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (4 children) Take the US: itβs done undeniably evil things I'm not sure how I could be more explicit about acknowledging the evil things done by the US than to say "They have done undeniably evil things". But while I've repeatedly done that, and lauded how Yemen's involvement in this coalition is a morally correct choice, you have repeatedly avoided addressing that Yemen's persecution of queer people is wrong, while falsely claiming that I'm somehow denying the west's evils. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Yemen comes out on top by simply committing far less evil than the rest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) by simply committing far less evil than the rest So you do agree that they're doing evil things. But you're willing to overlook them, because in your eyes they are doing less of it than other people. While I doubt the strict accuracy of that claim (yemen does a lot of human rights violations and there are many other countries that simply do not have the population to compete with them in volume), I am glad we can agree that their doing good things does not negate the evils they also commit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) Yes it turns out that the poorest and most oppressed people are not perfect victims. But they are much better than their perfect oppressors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Okay, I'm glad we have that sorted out! permalink fedilink source parent [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (5 children) If the USA wans't involved in the Yemeni revolution Houthis woudln't exists. The only revolt that was relatively succesful was the one where the west didn't interfere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (4 children) I'm... not sure what bearing that has on this conversation. As far as I'm aware, the west is only involved in this by supporting Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Saudis Arabia was involved in creating chaos in Yemen fully backed by the USA. In Sudan the UAE another american ally are arming the RSF. Everywhere the US or it's allies go chaos rein permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Okay and we shouldn't excuse the western powers behavior, but unless the US was persecuting queer Yemeni on behalf of the Yemeni government, it's still not relevant to the topic being discussed here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Israel do not descriminate with their bombing between a lgbtq palestinians and straight palestinians with the US bombing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* Absolutely correct. They barely consider Palestinians human as it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 months ago (23 children) They are fighting the worlds largest armies in order to stop genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (22 children) Sure, and that's a good thing for them to be doing. What does that have to do with their human right's record? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (21 children) If you watch this video fully you'll understand https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZc5Mbix3VE permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (20 children) Do you have a timestamp to the relevant portion? Because the first ten minutes do not address how the problematic support for Graham Platner is at all connected to how Yemen's commitment to a (noble) military coalition thus excuses their human rights record. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago* (19 children) Understanding Graham Platners background is essential to understanding the American Surpremacy which is the topic of the video. If you genuinely think Yemen has a worse track record than the US after watching the full video then I can't help you. Around 25:00 there's a great point wich requires the prior context. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (18 children) You're dodging the question: Why does Yemen's involvement in this coalition excuse it's human right's record? American supremacy is an important topic, yes, but it has nothing to do with Yemen's internal human rights record, which is the topic being discussed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (11 children) They are risking their lives fighting a genocide that puts them straight at the top of human rights with nothing to gain from it while everyone else is complicit and nodding along. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (10 children) So your position is that the good someone does excuses the evil they also do. An interesting position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Which is what you did regarding the USA permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Where have I done that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) You said that yes the USA did bad stuffs but they still give the most aid to other countries which many of them was destoyed by the US imperial policies as if the aid wipe up all the terrible think the empire did permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago I think you've misunderstood - what I said was that the US being the "paragon" of humanitarian aid doesn't excuse the crimes they have committed, much as Yemen's agreement to aid colombia in this should not mean we overlook their history of human rights abuses. permalink fedilink source parent [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago* (5 children) No that seems to be your position based on our conversation. But you refuse to acknowledge the evils done by the West because they are Ubermenschen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (4 children) Take the US: itβs done undeniably evil things I'm not sure how I could be more explicit about acknowledging the evil things done by the US than to say "They have done undeniably evil things". But while I've repeatedly done that, and lauded how Yemen's involvement in this coalition is a morally correct choice, you have repeatedly avoided addressing that Yemen's persecution of queer people is wrong, while falsely claiming that I'm somehow denying the west's evils. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Yemen comes out on top by simply committing far less evil than the rest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) by simply committing far less evil than the rest So you do agree that they're doing evil things. But you're willing to overlook them, because in your eyes they are doing less of it than other people. While I doubt the strict accuracy of that claim (yemen does a lot of human rights violations and there are many other countries that simply do not have the population to compete with them in volume), I am glad we can agree that their doing good things does not negate the evils they also commit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) Yes it turns out that the poorest and most oppressed people are not perfect victims. But they are much better than their perfect oppressors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Okay, I'm glad we have that sorted out! permalink fedilink source parent [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (5 children) If the USA wans't involved in the Yemeni revolution Houthis woudln't exists. The only revolt that was relatively succesful was the one where the west didn't interfere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (4 children) I'm... not sure what bearing that has on this conversation. As far as I'm aware, the west is only involved in this by supporting Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Saudis Arabia was involved in creating chaos in Yemen fully backed by the USA. In Sudan the UAE another american ally are arming the RSF. Everywhere the US or it's allies go chaos rein permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Okay and we shouldn't excuse the western powers behavior, but unless the US was persecuting queer Yemeni on behalf of the Yemeni government, it's still not relevant to the topic being discussed here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Israel do not descriminate with their bombing between a lgbtq palestinians and straight palestinians with the US bombing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* Absolutely correct. They barely consider Palestinians human as it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (22 children) Sure, and that's a good thing for them to be doing. What does that have to do with their human right's record? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (21 children) If you watch this video fully you'll understand https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZc5Mbix3VE permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (20 children) Do you have a timestamp to the relevant portion? Because the first ten minutes do not address how the problematic support for Graham Platner is at all connected to how Yemen's commitment to a (noble) military coalition thus excuses their human rights record. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago* (19 children) Understanding Graham Platners background is essential to understanding the American Surpremacy which is the topic of the video. If you genuinely think Yemen has a worse track record than the US after watching the full video then I can't help you. Around 25:00 there's a great point wich requires the prior context. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (18 children) You're dodging the question: Why does Yemen's involvement in this coalition excuse it's human right's record? American supremacy is an important topic, yes, but it has nothing to do with Yemen's internal human rights record, which is the topic being discussed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (11 children) They are risking their lives fighting a genocide that puts them straight at the top of human rights with nothing to gain from it while everyone else is complicit and nodding along. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (10 children) So your position is that the good someone does excuses the evil they also do. An interesting position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Which is what you did regarding the USA permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Where have I done that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) You said that yes the USA did bad stuffs but they still give the most aid to other countries which many of them was destoyed by the US imperial policies as if the aid wipe up all the terrible think the empire did permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago I think you've misunderstood - what I said was that the US being the "paragon" of humanitarian aid doesn't excuse the crimes they have committed, much as Yemen's agreement to aid colombia in this should not mean we overlook their history of human rights abuses. permalink fedilink source parent [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago* (5 children) No that seems to be your position based on our conversation. But you refuse to acknowledge the evils done by the West because they are Ubermenschen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (4 children) Take the US: itβs done undeniably evil things I'm not sure how I could be more explicit about acknowledging the evil things done by the US than to say "They have done undeniably evil things". But while I've repeatedly done that, and lauded how Yemen's involvement in this coalition is a morally correct choice, you have repeatedly avoided addressing that Yemen's persecution of queer people is wrong, while falsely claiming that I'm somehow denying the west's evils. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Yemen comes out on top by simply committing far less evil than the rest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) by simply committing far less evil than the rest So you do agree that they're doing evil things. But you're willing to overlook them, because in your eyes they are doing less of it than other people. While I doubt the strict accuracy of that claim (yemen does a lot of human rights violations and there are many other countries that simply do not have the population to compete with them in volume), I am glad we can agree that their doing good things does not negate the evils they also commit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) Yes it turns out that the poorest and most oppressed people are not perfect victims. But they are much better than their perfect oppressors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Okay, I'm glad we have that sorted out! permalink fedilink source parent [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (5 children) If the USA wans't involved in the Yemeni revolution Houthis woudln't exists. The only revolt that was relatively succesful was the one where the west didn't interfere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (4 children) I'm... not sure what bearing that has on this conversation. As far as I'm aware, the west is only involved in this by supporting Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Saudis Arabia was involved in creating chaos in Yemen fully backed by the USA. In Sudan the UAE another american ally are arming the RSF. Everywhere the US or it's allies go chaos rein permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Okay and we shouldn't excuse the western powers behavior, but unless the US was persecuting queer Yemeni on behalf of the Yemeni government, it's still not relevant to the topic being discussed here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Israel do not descriminate with their bombing between a lgbtq palestinians and straight palestinians with the US bombing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* Absolutely correct. They barely consider Palestinians human as it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (21 children) If you watch this video fully you'll understand https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZc5Mbix3VE permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (20 children) Do you have a timestamp to the relevant portion? Because the first ten minutes do not address how the problematic support for Graham Platner is at all connected to how Yemen's commitment to a (noble) military coalition thus excuses their human rights record. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago* (19 children) Understanding Graham Platners background is essential to understanding the American Surpremacy which is the topic of the video. If you genuinely think Yemen has a worse track record than the US after watching the full video then I can't help you. Around 25:00 there's a great point wich requires the prior context. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (18 children) You're dodging the question: Why does Yemen's involvement in this coalition excuse it's human right's record? American supremacy is an important topic, yes, but it has nothing to do with Yemen's internal human rights record, which is the topic being discussed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (11 children) They are risking their lives fighting a genocide that puts them straight at the top of human rights with nothing to gain from it while everyone else is complicit and nodding along. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (10 children) So your position is that the good someone does excuses the evil they also do. An interesting position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Which is what you did regarding the USA permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Where have I done that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) You said that yes the USA did bad stuffs but they still give the most aid to other countries which many of them was destoyed by the US imperial policies as if the aid wipe up all the terrible think the empire did permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago I think you've misunderstood - what I said was that the US being the "paragon" of humanitarian aid doesn't excuse the crimes they have committed, much as Yemen's agreement to aid colombia in this should not mean we overlook their history of human rights abuses. permalink fedilink source parent [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago* (5 children) No that seems to be your position based on our conversation. But you refuse to acknowledge the evils done by the West because they are Ubermenschen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (4 children) Take the US: itβs done undeniably evil things I'm not sure how I could be more explicit about acknowledging the evil things done by the US than to say "They have done undeniably evil things". But while I've repeatedly done that, and lauded how Yemen's involvement in this coalition is a morally correct choice, you have repeatedly avoided addressing that Yemen's persecution of queer people is wrong, while falsely claiming that I'm somehow denying the west's evils. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Yemen comes out on top by simply committing far less evil than the rest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) by simply committing far less evil than the rest So you do agree that they're doing evil things. But you're willing to overlook them, because in your eyes they are doing less of it than other people. While I doubt the strict accuracy of that claim (yemen does a lot of human rights violations and there are many other countries that simply do not have the population to compete with them in volume), I am glad we can agree that their doing good things does not negate the evils they also commit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) Yes it turns out that the poorest and most oppressed people are not perfect victims. But they are much better than their perfect oppressors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Okay, I'm glad we have that sorted out! permalink fedilink source parent [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (5 children) If the USA wans't involved in the Yemeni revolution Houthis woudln't exists. The only revolt that was relatively succesful was the one where the west didn't interfere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (4 children) I'm... not sure what bearing that has on this conversation. As far as I'm aware, the west is only involved in this by supporting Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Saudis Arabia was involved in creating chaos in Yemen fully backed by the USA. In Sudan the UAE another american ally are arming the RSF. Everywhere the US or it's allies go chaos rein permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Okay and we shouldn't excuse the western powers behavior, but unless the US was persecuting queer Yemeni on behalf of the Yemeni government, it's still not relevant to the topic being discussed here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Israel do not descriminate with their bombing between a lgbtq palestinians and straight palestinians with the US bombing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* Absolutely correct. They barely consider Palestinians human as it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (20 children) Do you have a timestamp to the relevant portion? Because the first ten minutes do not address how the problematic support for Graham Platner is at all connected to how Yemen's commitment to a (noble) military coalition thus excuses their human rights record. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago* (19 children) Understanding Graham Platners background is essential to understanding the American Surpremacy which is the topic of the video. If you genuinely think Yemen has a worse track record than the US after watching the full video then I can't help you. Around 25:00 there's a great point wich requires the prior context. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (18 children) You're dodging the question: Why does Yemen's involvement in this coalition excuse it's human right's record? American supremacy is an important topic, yes, but it has nothing to do with Yemen's internal human rights record, which is the topic being discussed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (11 children) They are risking their lives fighting a genocide that puts them straight at the top of human rights with nothing to gain from it while everyone else is complicit and nodding along. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (10 children) So your position is that the good someone does excuses the evil they also do. An interesting position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Which is what you did regarding the USA permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Where have I done that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) You said that yes the USA did bad stuffs but they still give the most aid to other countries which many of them was destoyed by the US imperial policies as if the aid wipe up all the terrible think the empire did permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago I think you've misunderstood - what I said was that the US being the "paragon" of humanitarian aid doesn't excuse the crimes they have committed, much as Yemen's agreement to aid colombia in this should not mean we overlook their history of human rights abuses. permalink fedilink source parent [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago* (5 children) No that seems to be your position based on our conversation. But you refuse to acknowledge the evils done by the West because they are Ubermenschen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (4 children) Take the US: itβs done undeniably evil things I'm not sure how I could be more explicit about acknowledging the evil things done by the US than to say "They have done undeniably evil things". But while I've repeatedly done that, and lauded how Yemen's involvement in this coalition is a morally correct choice, you have repeatedly avoided addressing that Yemen's persecution of queer people is wrong, while falsely claiming that I'm somehow denying the west's evils. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Yemen comes out on top by simply committing far less evil than the rest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) by simply committing far less evil than the rest So you do agree that they're doing evil things. But you're willing to overlook them, because in your eyes they are doing less of it than other people. While I doubt the strict accuracy of that claim (yemen does a lot of human rights violations and there are many other countries that simply do not have the population to compete with them in volume), I am glad we can agree that their doing good things does not negate the evils they also commit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) Yes it turns out that the poorest and most oppressed people are not perfect victims. But they are much better than their perfect oppressors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Okay, I'm glad we have that sorted out! permalink fedilink source parent [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (5 children) If the USA wans't involved in the Yemeni revolution Houthis woudln't exists. The only revolt that was relatively succesful was the one where the west didn't interfere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (4 children) I'm... not sure what bearing that has on this conversation. As far as I'm aware, the west is only involved in this by supporting Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Saudis Arabia was involved in creating chaos in Yemen fully backed by the USA. In Sudan the UAE another american ally are arming the RSF. Everywhere the US or it's allies go chaos rein permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Okay and we shouldn't excuse the western powers behavior, but unless the US was persecuting queer Yemeni on behalf of the Yemeni government, it's still not relevant to the topic being discussed here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Israel do not descriminate with their bombing between a lgbtq palestinians and straight palestinians with the US bombing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* Absolutely correct. They barely consider Palestinians human as it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago* (19 children) Understanding Graham Platners background is essential to understanding the American Surpremacy which is the topic of the video. If you genuinely think Yemen has a worse track record than the US after watching the full video then I can't help you. Around 25:00 there's a great point wich requires the prior context. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (18 children) You're dodging the question: Why does Yemen's involvement in this coalition excuse it's human right's record? American supremacy is an important topic, yes, but it has nothing to do with Yemen's internal human rights record, which is the topic being discussed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (11 children) They are risking their lives fighting a genocide that puts them straight at the top of human rights with nothing to gain from it while everyone else is complicit and nodding along. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (10 children) So your position is that the good someone does excuses the evil they also do. An interesting position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Which is what you did regarding the USA permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Where have I done that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) You said that yes the USA did bad stuffs but they still give the most aid to other countries which many of them was destoyed by the US imperial policies as if the aid wipe up all the terrible think the empire did permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago I think you've misunderstood - what I said was that the US being the "paragon" of humanitarian aid doesn't excuse the crimes they have committed, much as Yemen's agreement to aid colombia in this should not mean we overlook their history of human rights abuses. permalink fedilink source parent [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago* (5 children) No that seems to be your position based on our conversation. But you refuse to acknowledge the evils done by the West because they are Ubermenschen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (4 children) Take the US: itβs done undeniably evil things I'm not sure how I could be more explicit about acknowledging the evil things done by the US than to say "They have done undeniably evil things". But while I've repeatedly done that, and lauded how Yemen's involvement in this coalition is a morally correct choice, you have repeatedly avoided addressing that Yemen's persecution of queer people is wrong, while falsely claiming that I'm somehow denying the west's evils. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Yemen comes out on top by simply committing far less evil than the rest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) by simply committing far less evil than the rest So you do agree that they're doing evil things. But you're willing to overlook them, because in your eyes they are doing less of it than other people. While I doubt the strict accuracy of that claim (yemen does a lot of human rights violations and there are many other countries that simply do not have the population to compete with them in volume), I am glad we can agree that their doing good things does not negate the evils they also commit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) Yes it turns out that the poorest and most oppressed people are not perfect victims. But they are much better than their perfect oppressors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Okay, I'm glad we have that sorted out! permalink fedilink source parent [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (5 children) If the USA wans't involved in the Yemeni revolution Houthis woudln't exists. The only revolt that was relatively succesful was the one where the west didn't interfere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (4 children) I'm... not sure what bearing that has on this conversation. As far as I'm aware, the west is only involved in this by supporting Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Saudis Arabia was involved in creating chaos in Yemen fully backed by the USA. In Sudan the UAE another american ally are arming the RSF. Everywhere the US or it's allies go chaos rein permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Okay and we shouldn't excuse the western powers behavior, but unless the US was persecuting queer Yemeni on behalf of the Yemeni government, it's still not relevant to the topic being discussed here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Israel do not descriminate with their bombing between a lgbtq palestinians and straight palestinians with the US bombing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* Absolutely correct. They barely consider Palestinians human as it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (18 children) You're dodging the question: Why does Yemen's involvement in this coalition excuse it's human right's record? American supremacy is an important topic, yes, but it has nothing to do with Yemen's internal human rights record, which is the topic being discussed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (11 children) They are risking their lives fighting a genocide that puts them straight at the top of human rights with nothing to gain from it while everyone else is complicit and nodding along. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (10 children) So your position is that the good someone does excuses the evil they also do. An interesting position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Which is what you did regarding the USA permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Where have I done that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) You said that yes the USA did bad stuffs but they still give the most aid to other countries which many of them was destoyed by the US imperial policies as if the aid wipe up all the terrible think the empire did permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago I think you've misunderstood - what I said was that the US being the "paragon" of humanitarian aid doesn't excuse the crimes they have committed, much as Yemen's agreement to aid colombia in this should not mean we overlook their history of human rights abuses. permalink fedilink source parent [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago* (5 children) No that seems to be your position based on our conversation. But you refuse to acknowledge the evils done by the West because they are Ubermenschen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (4 children) Take the US: itβs done undeniably evil things I'm not sure how I could be more explicit about acknowledging the evil things done by the US than to say "They have done undeniably evil things". But while I've repeatedly done that, and lauded how Yemen's involvement in this coalition is a morally correct choice, you have repeatedly avoided addressing that Yemen's persecution of queer people is wrong, while falsely claiming that I'm somehow denying the west's evils. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Yemen comes out on top by simply committing far less evil than the rest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) by simply committing far less evil than the rest So you do agree that they're doing evil things. But you're willing to overlook them, because in your eyes they are doing less of it than other people. While I doubt the strict accuracy of that claim (yemen does a lot of human rights violations and there are many other countries that simply do not have the population to compete with them in volume), I am glad we can agree that their doing good things does not negate the evils they also commit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) Yes it turns out that the poorest and most oppressed people are not perfect victims. But they are much better than their perfect oppressors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Okay, I'm glad we have that sorted out! permalink fedilink source parent [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (5 children) If the USA wans't involved in the Yemeni revolution Houthis woudln't exists. The only revolt that was relatively succesful was the one where the west didn't interfere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (4 children) I'm... not sure what bearing that has on this conversation. As far as I'm aware, the west is only involved in this by supporting Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Saudis Arabia was involved in creating chaos in Yemen fully backed by the USA. In Sudan the UAE another american ally are arming the RSF. Everywhere the US or it's allies go chaos rein permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Okay and we shouldn't excuse the western powers behavior, but unless the US was persecuting queer Yemeni on behalf of the Yemeni government, it's still not relevant to the topic being discussed here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Israel do not descriminate with their bombing between a lgbtq palestinians and straight palestinians with the US bombing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* Absolutely correct. They barely consider Palestinians human as it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (11 children) They are risking their lives fighting a genocide that puts them straight at the top of human rights with nothing to gain from it while everyone else is complicit and nodding along. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (10 children) So your position is that the good someone does excuses the evil they also do. An interesting position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Which is what you did regarding the USA permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Where have I done that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) You said that yes the USA did bad stuffs but they still give the most aid to other countries which many of them was destoyed by the US imperial policies as if the aid wipe up all the terrible think the empire did permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago I think you've misunderstood - what I said was that the US being the "paragon" of humanitarian aid doesn't excuse the crimes they have committed, much as Yemen's agreement to aid colombia in this should not mean we overlook their history of human rights abuses. permalink fedilink source parent [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago* (5 children) No that seems to be your position based on our conversation. But you refuse to acknowledge the evils done by the West because they are Ubermenschen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (4 children) Take the US: itβs done undeniably evil things I'm not sure how I could be more explicit about acknowledging the evil things done by the US than to say "They have done undeniably evil things". But while I've repeatedly done that, and lauded how Yemen's involvement in this coalition is a morally correct choice, you have repeatedly avoided addressing that Yemen's persecution of queer people is wrong, while falsely claiming that I'm somehow denying the west's evils. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Yemen comes out on top by simply committing far less evil than the rest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) by simply committing far less evil than the rest So you do agree that they're doing evil things. But you're willing to overlook them, because in your eyes they are doing less of it than other people. While I doubt the strict accuracy of that claim (yemen does a lot of human rights violations and there are many other countries that simply do not have the population to compete with them in volume), I am glad we can agree that their doing good things does not negate the evils they also commit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) Yes it turns out that the poorest and most oppressed people are not perfect victims. But they are much better than their perfect oppressors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Okay, I'm glad we have that sorted out! permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (10 children) So your position is that the good someone does excuses the evil they also do. An interesting position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Which is what you did regarding the USA permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Where have I done that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) You said that yes the USA did bad stuffs but they still give the most aid to other countries which many of them was destoyed by the US imperial policies as if the aid wipe up all the terrible think the empire did permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago I think you've misunderstood - what I said was that the US being the "paragon" of humanitarian aid doesn't excuse the crimes they have committed, much as Yemen's agreement to aid colombia in this should not mean we overlook their history of human rights abuses. permalink fedilink source parent [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago* (5 children) No that seems to be your position based on our conversation. But you refuse to acknowledge the evils done by the West because they are Ubermenschen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (4 children) Take the US: itβs done undeniably evil things I'm not sure how I could be more explicit about acknowledging the evil things done by the US than to say "They have done undeniably evil things". But while I've repeatedly done that, and lauded how Yemen's involvement in this coalition is a morally correct choice, you have repeatedly avoided addressing that Yemen's persecution of queer people is wrong, while falsely claiming that I'm somehow denying the west's evils. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Yemen comes out on top by simply committing far less evil than the rest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) by simply committing far less evil than the rest So you do agree that they're doing evil things. But you're willing to overlook them, because in your eyes they are doing less of it than other people. While I doubt the strict accuracy of that claim (yemen does a lot of human rights violations and there are many other countries that simply do not have the population to compete with them in volume), I am glad we can agree that their doing good things does not negate the evils they also commit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) Yes it turns out that the poorest and most oppressed people are not perfect victims. But they are much better than their perfect oppressors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Okay, I'm glad we have that sorted out! permalink fedilink source parent
[β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Which is what you did regarding the USA permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Where have I done that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) You said that yes the USA did bad stuffs but they still give the most aid to other countries which many of them was destoyed by the US imperial policies as if the aid wipe up all the terrible think the empire did permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago I think you've misunderstood - what I said was that the US being the "paragon" of humanitarian aid doesn't excuse the crimes they have committed, much as Yemen's agreement to aid colombia in this should not mean we overlook their history of human rights abuses. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Where have I done that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) You said that yes the USA did bad stuffs but they still give the most aid to other countries which many of them was destoyed by the US imperial policies as if the aid wipe up all the terrible think the empire did permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago I think you've misunderstood - what I said was that the US being the "paragon" of humanitarian aid doesn't excuse the crimes they have committed, much as Yemen's agreement to aid colombia in this should not mean we overlook their history of human rights abuses. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) You said that yes the USA did bad stuffs but they still give the most aid to other countries which many of them was destoyed by the US imperial policies as if the aid wipe up all the terrible think the empire did permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago I think you've misunderstood - what I said was that the US being the "paragon" of humanitarian aid doesn't excuse the crimes they have committed, much as Yemen's agreement to aid colombia in this should not mean we overlook their history of human rights abuses. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago I think you've misunderstood - what I said was that the US being the "paragon" of humanitarian aid doesn't excuse the crimes they have committed, much as Yemen's agreement to aid colombia in this should not mean we overlook their history of human rights abuses. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago* (5 children) No that seems to be your position based on our conversation. But you refuse to acknowledge the evils done by the West because they are Ubermenschen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (4 children) Take the US: itβs done undeniably evil things I'm not sure how I could be more explicit about acknowledging the evil things done by the US than to say "They have done undeniably evil things". But while I've repeatedly done that, and lauded how Yemen's involvement in this coalition is a morally correct choice, you have repeatedly avoided addressing that Yemen's persecution of queer people is wrong, while falsely claiming that I'm somehow denying the west's evils. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Yemen comes out on top by simply committing far less evil than the rest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) by simply committing far less evil than the rest So you do agree that they're doing evil things. But you're willing to overlook them, because in your eyes they are doing less of it than other people. While I doubt the strict accuracy of that claim (yemen does a lot of human rights violations and there are many other countries that simply do not have the population to compete with them in volume), I am glad we can agree that their doing good things does not negate the evils they also commit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) Yes it turns out that the poorest and most oppressed people are not perfect victims. But they are much better than their perfect oppressors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Okay, I'm glad we have that sorted out! permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (4 children) Take the US: itβs done undeniably evil things I'm not sure how I could be more explicit about acknowledging the evil things done by the US than to say "They have done undeniably evil things". But while I've repeatedly done that, and lauded how Yemen's involvement in this coalition is a morally correct choice, you have repeatedly avoided addressing that Yemen's persecution of queer people is wrong, while falsely claiming that I'm somehow denying the west's evils. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Yemen comes out on top by simply committing far less evil than the rest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) by simply committing far less evil than the rest So you do agree that they're doing evil things. But you're willing to overlook them, because in your eyes they are doing less of it than other people. While I doubt the strict accuracy of that claim (yemen does a lot of human rights violations and there are many other countries that simply do not have the population to compete with them in volume), I am glad we can agree that their doing good things does not negate the evils they also commit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) Yes it turns out that the poorest and most oppressed people are not perfect victims. But they are much better than their perfect oppressors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Okay, I'm glad we have that sorted out! permalink fedilink source parent
[β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Yemen comes out on top by simply committing far less evil than the rest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) by simply committing far less evil than the rest So you do agree that they're doing evil things. But you're willing to overlook them, because in your eyes they are doing less of it than other people. While I doubt the strict accuracy of that claim (yemen does a lot of human rights violations and there are many other countries that simply do not have the population to compete with them in volume), I am glad we can agree that their doing good things does not negate the evils they also commit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) Yes it turns out that the poorest and most oppressed people are not perfect victims. But they are much better than their perfect oppressors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Okay, I'm glad we have that sorted out! permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) by simply committing far less evil than the rest So you do agree that they're doing evil things. But you're willing to overlook them, because in your eyes they are doing less of it than other people. While I doubt the strict accuracy of that claim (yemen does a lot of human rights violations and there are many other countries that simply do not have the population to compete with them in volume), I am glad we can agree that their doing good things does not negate the evils they also commit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) Yes it turns out that the poorest and most oppressed people are not perfect victims. But they are much better than their perfect oppressors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Okay, I'm glad we have that sorted out! permalink fedilink source parent
[β] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) Yes it turns out that the poorest and most oppressed people are not perfect victims. But they are much better than their perfect oppressors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Okay, I'm glad we have that sorted out! permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Okay, I'm glad we have that sorted out! permalink fedilink source parent
[β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (5 children) If the USA wans't involved in the Yemeni revolution Houthis woudln't exists. The only revolt that was relatively succesful was the one where the west didn't interfere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (4 children) I'm... not sure what bearing that has on this conversation. As far as I'm aware, the west is only involved in this by supporting Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Saudis Arabia was involved in creating chaos in Yemen fully backed by the USA. In Sudan the UAE another american ally are arming the RSF. Everywhere the US or it's allies go chaos rein permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Okay and we shouldn't excuse the western powers behavior, but unless the US was persecuting queer Yemeni on behalf of the Yemeni government, it's still not relevant to the topic being discussed here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Israel do not descriminate with their bombing between a lgbtq palestinians and straight palestinians with the US bombing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* Absolutely correct. They barely consider Palestinians human as it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (4 children) I'm... not sure what bearing that has on this conversation. As far as I'm aware, the west is only involved in this by supporting Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Saudis Arabia was involved in creating chaos in Yemen fully backed by the USA. In Sudan the UAE another american ally are arming the RSF. Everywhere the US or it's allies go chaos rein permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Okay and we shouldn't excuse the western powers behavior, but unless the US was persecuting queer Yemeni on behalf of the Yemeni government, it's still not relevant to the topic being discussed here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Israel do not descriminate with their bombing between a lgbtq palestinians and straight palestinians with the US bombing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* Absolutely correct. They barely consider Palestinians human as it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Saudis Arabia was involved in creating chaos in Yemen fully backed by the USA. In Sudan the UAE another american ally are arming the RSF. Everywhere the US or it's allies go chaos rein permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Okay and we shouldn't excuse the western powers behavior, but unless the US was persecuting queer Yemeni on behalf of the Yemeni government, it's still not relevant to the topic being discussed here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Israel do not descriminate with their bombing between a lgbtq palestinians and straight palestinians with the US bombing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* Absolutely correct. They barely consider Palestinians human as it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Okay and we shouldn't excuse the western powers behavior, but unless the US was persecuting queer Yemeni on behalf of the Yemeni government, it's still not relevant to the topic being discussed here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Israel do not descriminate with their bombing between a lgbtq palestinians and straight palestinians with the US bombing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* Absolutely correct. They barely consider Palestinians human as it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Israel do not descriminate with their bombing between a lgbtq palestinians and straight palestinians with the US bombing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* Absolutely correct. They barely consider Palestinians human as it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* Absolutely correct. They barely consider Palestinians human as it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] redparadise@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 10 months ago Supporting and applauding Yemen's blocade against Israel doesn't mean one also supports every single one of their other actions, priorities need to be decided in times like these, same way it's stupid to condemn Hamas when it's literally resisting genocide. permalink fedilink source parent