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Zohran Mamdani, in the New York City mayoral debate: "Free buses would cost $700M. Cuomo gave more—$959M—to Elon Musk for a failed Tesla factory." (files.catbox.moe)
submitted 11 months ago by to c/fuckcars@lemmy.world
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[–] 44 points 11 months ago (25 children)

He says he's a socialist.

Democrats say a lot of things that sound really, really good too... until they're elected, and then we realize they're shit-stains.

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  • [–] 56 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    You're not wrong and that could totally be the case but again, he's gotta be a really good actor to keep the socialist line when being grilled on some issues. It's certainly possible that he is. But I think he's leftist schtick is very different than Obama's. Only one way to find out. Vote for him if you're in NYC. 😁

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    I badly want to be wrong, but there's something about these supposed progressives that changes when they get into office and suddenly are confronted with the possibility that they can 100% exploit their office to give their family generational wealth.

    So while I'm cautiously optimistic, most of me is very 'I'll believe it when I see it'.

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  • [–] 35 points 11 months ago

    I believe it's the progressives who realize they're an extremely small minority within the DNC, so you must swallow a few bitter loads to get certain stuff you believe in through while making backroom deals you would never do.

    Ultimately it is up to the American People to shift the Overton window to the left. It is possible, but won't be easy as Democrats cave to Corporations and the media being billionaire owned doesn't help when you're a progressive.

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    The dems trying to take him out is evidence that he's real

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  • [–] -4 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    No, it isn't. They did the same with Obama, because at the time it was supposedly Hillary's turn.

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  • [–] 34 points 11 months ago* (4 children)

    This strikes me as something written by someone who doesn't clearly remember 2008. After Obama got the nod, Democrats largely cleared the field for him. They didn't spend months talking about how they didn't know who he was, or saying that they couldn't endorse him.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    That's fair.

    I'm thinking before that point. They did everything could to tank his candidacy in the primaries but the voters overwhelmingly rejected Hillary.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Uh, were you around in 2008? That's definitely not what happened. If anything that's what happened to Bernie. Are you confusing Bernie with Obama?

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    I was referring to the primaries, not the general. There was definitely a sense that it was Hillary's turn and they did their best to keep Obama's popularity from developing into a legitimate candidacy.

    Not that it mattered. Obama was another smooth-talking son of a bitch, just like the rest of them.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I think part of that is true and part of that is that they just don't get enough votes to actually do things.

    Especially as just a Congressperson you can't change everything all at once. You don't have the same influence as a president. So you pick your battles.

    People here get disappointed they didn't get enough done fast enough and then vote red in the next election hoping for faster change.

    Well, we got faster change. Never seen change as fast as this.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

    I don't think so.

    People not voting comes down to living through the last eight years and both parties doing nothing meaningful about the fact that you're working 100 hours a week at three jobs and all you can afford is a roach-infested studio.

    Why would you miss a badly needed day's pay?

    As for the folks who switched to vote Trump. That was the only option for change that they had, and they knew from experience how shitty Biden/Harris were. Of course they switched.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    They should have known that Trump was worse from term one...

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  • [+] -3 points 11 months ago (1 child)
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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    For the first few months of his presidency, following the tail end of the economic growth under Obama. Under Trump the economy dumped jobs and it only did well for the wealthy. Biden added like 100,000 jobs to the economy during his first 4 months.

    It's amazing how this happens every single time. Republicans control the narrative so well that people forget that the economy consistently does better under Democrats. Every. Single. Time. It happened with Clinton and Bush. It happened with Obama and Trump. And it happened with Biden and Trump. Republicans add billions to the national debt, destroy aid programs, shrink the job market, drive up housing prices and the cost of living, and cause all that lost money to siphon to the oligarchy while lowering their taxes and raising them for everyone else. Everybody blames the Democrats for it while Republicans are in charge, and then completely miss it getting better when the Republicans are out of office.

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