▲ 731 ▼ Do I dare say it 🥺 (lemmy.zip) submitted 11 months ago by cm0002@lemmy.zip to c/linux@programming.dev 210 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] bear_delune@beehaw.org 4 points 11 months ago (14 children) I think Zorin is a pretty solid choice for people with no Linux experience tbh. It’s at least going to feel familiar permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago (11 children) They charge extra for theming that people could get themselves for free. I don’t like that it’s taking advantage of vulnerable people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] bear_delune@beehaw.org 7 points 11 months ago (10 children) I don’t think that’s “taking advantage of vulnerable people” The options still exist for people to learn and theming is incredibly inconsequential. They’re monetising to support development in a minimally impactful way, that is completely optional, and I think that’s a good thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago* (9 children) They should advertise that everything is free and can be installed after installation if you choose not say $80 gets you a Windows like desktop and software replacements that will save you thousands (Blender/Xournal++/OfficeSuite) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] bear_delune@beehaw.org 3 points 11 months ago (8 children) The value proposition is ease of use and integration of these theming utilities. I honestly think this monetisation strategy of theirs is a non-issue. People who want a streamlined experience have the option of paying for that, people who want the option of doing it all themselves have that opportunity too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 point 11 months ago (7 children) My problem is them not communicating that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] bear_delune@beehaw.org 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Not communicating that there are alternatives to their services? I don’t really think it’s their responsibility to spoon feed alternatives to their customers; they’re not being anticompetitive, they’re not being deceptive, they’re not blocking alternatives. I think your requirements here are unfair and kind of irrational permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (5 children) That the stuff included is free and installable on it’s own. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] bear_delune@beehaw.org 1 point 10 months ago (4 children) So what’s your issue then? Zorin has a free version that people can opt for if they want permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) That they aren’t communicating it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] bear_delune@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) Why do you believe they need to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) Because I believe not doing so is exploiting people that don’t know better. If it wasn’t then there wouldn’t be a problem with being upfront about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bear_delune@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago Okay, I guess I simply disagree that it’s their responsibility to tell other people there are alternatives to their service and I don’t think any other software vendor is beholden to such a requirement either. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kalpol@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) So does Mint though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bear_delune@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago And people are free to use mint if they want permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago (11 children) They charge extra for theming that people could get themselves for free. I don’t like that it’s taking advantage of vulnerable people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] bear_delune@beehaw.org 7 points 11 months ago (10 children) I don’t think that’s “taking advantage of vulnerable people” The options still exist for people to learn and theming is incredibly inconsequential. They’re monetising to support development in a minimally impactful way, that is completely optional, and I think that’s a good thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago* (9 children) They should advertise that everything is free and can be installed after installation if you choose not say $80 gets you a Windows like desktop and software replacements that will save you thousands (Blender/Xournal++/OfficeSuite) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] bear_delune@beehaw.org 3 points 11 months ago (8 children) The value proposition is ease of use and integration of these theming utilities. I honestly think this monetisation strategy of theirs is a non-issue. People who want a streamlined experience have the option of paying for that, people who want the option of doing it all themselves have that opportunity too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 point 11 months ago (7 children) My problem is them not communicating that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] bear_delune@beehaw.org 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Not communicating that there are alternatives to their services? I don’t really think it’s their responsibility to spoon feed alternatives to their customers; they’re not being anticompetitive, they’re not being deceptive, they’re not blocking alternatives. I think your requirements here are unfair and kind of irrational permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (5 children) That the stuff included is free and installable on it’s own. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] bear_delune@beehaw.org 1 point 10 months ago (4 children) So what’s your issue then? Zorin has a free version that people can opt for if they want permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) That they aren’t communicating it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] bear_delune@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) Why do you believe they need to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) Because I believe not doing so is exploiting people that don’t know better. If it wasn’t then there wouldn’t be a problem with being upfront about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bear_delune@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago Okay, I guess I simply disagree that it’s their responsibility to tell other people there are alternatives to their service and I don’t think any other software vendor is beholden to such a requirement either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bear_delune@beehaw.org 7 points 11 months ago (10 children) I don’t think that’s “taking advantage of vulnerable people” The options still exist for people to learn and theming is incredibly inconsequential. They’re monetising to support development in a minimally impactful way, that is completely optional, and I think that’s a good thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago* (9 children) They should advertise that everything is free and can be installed after installation if you choose not say $80 gets you a Windows like desktop and software replacements that will save you thousands (Blender/Xournal++/OfficeSuite) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] bear_delune@beehaw.org 3 points 11 months ago (8 children) The value proposition is ease of use and integration of these theming utilities. I honestly think this monetisation strategy of theirs is a non-issue. People who want a streamlined experience have the option of paying for that, people who want the option of doing it all themselves have that opportunity too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 point 11 months ago (7 children) My problem is them not communicating that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] bear_delune@beehaw.org 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Not communicating that there are alternatives to their services? I don’t really think it’s their responsibility to spoon feed alternatives to their customers; they’re not being anticompetitive, they’re not being deceptive, they’re not blocking alternatives. I think your requirements here are unfair and kind of irrational permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (5 children) That the stuff included is free and installable on it’s own. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] bear_delune@beehaw.org 1 point 10 months ago (4 children) So what’s your issue then? Zorin has a free version that people can opt for if they want permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) That they aren’t communicating it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] bear_delune@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) Why do you believe they need to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) Because I believe not doing so is exploiting people that don’t know better. If it wasn’t then there wouldn’t be a problem with being upfront about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bear_delune@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago Okay, I guess I simply disagree that it’s their responsibility to tell other people there are alternatives to their service and I don’t think any other software vendor is beholden to such a requirement either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago* (9 children) They should advertise that everything is free and can be installed after installation if you choose not say $80 gets you a Windows like desktop and software replacements that will save you thousands (Blender/Xournal++/OfficeSuite) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] bear_delune@beehaw.org 3 points 11 months ago (8 children) The value proposition is ease of use and integration of these theming utilities. I honestly think this monetisation strategy of theirs is a non-issue. People who want a streamlined experience have the option of paying for that, people who want the option of doing it all themselves have that opportunity too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 point 11 months ago (7 children) My problem is them not communicating that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] bear_delune@beehaw.org 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Not communicating that there are alternatives to their services? I don’t really think it’s their responsibility to spoon feed alternatives to their customers; they’re not being anticompetitive, they’re not being deceptive, they’re not blocking alternatives. I think your requirements here are unfair and kind of irrational permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (5 children) That the stuff included is free and installable on it’s own. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] bear_delune@beehaw.org 1 point 10 months ago (4 children) So what’s your issue then? Zorin has a free version that people can opt for if they want permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) That they aren’t communicating it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] bear_delune@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) Why do you believe they need to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) Because I believe not doing so is exploiting people that don’t know better. If it wasn’t then there wouldn’t be a problem with being upfront about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bear_delune@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago Okay, I guess I simply disagree that it’s their responsibility to tell other people there are alternatives to their service and I don’t think any other software vendor is beholden to such a requirement either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bear_delune@beehaw.org 3 points 11 months ago (8 children) The value proposition is ease of use and integration of these theming utilities. I honestly think this monetisation strategy of theirs is a non-issue. People who want a streamlined experience have the option of paying for that, people who want the option of doing it all themselves have that opportunity too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 point 11 months ago (7 children) My problem is them not communicating that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] bear_delune@beehaw.org 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Not communicating that there are alternatives to their services? I don’t really think it’s their responsibility to spoon feed alternatives to their customers; they’re not being anticompetitive, they’re not being deceptive, they’re not blocking alternatives. I think your requirements here are unfair and kind of irrational permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (5 children) That the stuff included is free and installable on it’s own. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] bear_delune@beehaw.org 1 point 10 months ago (4 children) So what’s your issue then? Zorin has a free version that people can opt for if they want permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) That they aren’t communicating it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] bear_delune@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) Why do you believe they need to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) Because I believe not doing so is exploiting people that don’t know better. If it wasn’t then there wouldn’t be a problem with being upfront about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bear_delune@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago Okay, I guess I simply disagree that it’s their responsibility to tell other people there are alternatives to their service and I don’t think any other software vendor is beholden to such a requirement either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 point 11 months ago (7 children) My problem is them not communicating that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] bear_delune@beehaw.org 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Not communicating that there are alternatives to their services? I don’t really think it’s their responsibility to spoon feed alternatives to their customers; they’re not being anticompetitive, they’re not being deceptive, they’re not blocking alternatives. I think your requirements here are unfair and kind of irrational permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (5 children) That the stuff included is free and installable on it’s own. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] bear_delune@beehaw.org 1 point 10 months ago (4 children) So what’s your issue then? Zorin has a free version that people can opt for if they want permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) That they aren’t communicating it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] bear_delune@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) Why do you believe they need to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) Because I believe not doing so is exploiting people that don’t know better. If it wasn’t then there wouldn’t be a problem with being upfront about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bear_delune@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago Okay, I guess I simply disagree that it’s their responsibility to tell other people there are alternatives to their service and I don’t think any other software vendor is beholden to such a requirement either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bear_delune@beehaw.org 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Not communicating that there are alternatives to their services? I don’t really think it’s their responsibility to spoon feed alternatives to their customers; they’re not being anticompetitive, they’re not being deceptive, they’re not blocking alternatives. I think your requirements here are unfair and kind of irrational permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (5 children) That the stuff included is free and installable on it’s own. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] bear_delune@beehaw.org 1 point 10 months ago (4 children) So what’s your issue then? Zorin has a free version that people can opt for if they want permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) That they aren’t communicating it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] bear_delune@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) Why do you believe they need to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) Because I believe not doing so is exploiting people that don’t know better. If it wasn’t then there wouldn’t be a problem with being upfront about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bear_delune@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago Okay, I guess I simply disagree that it’s their responsibility to tell other people there are alternatives to their service and I don’t think any other software vendor is beholden to such a requirement either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (5 children) That the stuff included is free and installable on it’s own. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] bear_delune@beehaw.org 1 point 10 months ago (4 children) So what’s your issue then? Zorin has a free version that people can opt for if they want permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) That they aren’t communicating it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] bear_delune@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) Why do you believe they need to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) Because I believe not doing so is exploiting people that don’t know better. If it wasn’t then there wouldn’t be a problem with being upfront about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bear_delune@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago Okay, I guess I simply disagree that it’s their responsibility to tell other people there are alternatives to their service and I don’t think any other software vendor is beholden to such a requirement either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bear_delune@beehaw.org 1 point 10 months ago (4 children) So what’s your issue then? Zorin has a free version that people can opt for if they want permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) That they aren’t communicating it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] bear_delune@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) Why do you believe they need to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) Because I believe not doing so is exploiting people that don’t know better. If it wasn’t then there wouldn’t be a problem with being upfront about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bear_delune@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago Okay, I guess I simply disagree that it’s their responsibility to tell other people there are alternatives to their service and I don’t think any other software vendor is beholden to such a requirement either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) That they aren’t communicating it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] bear_delune@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) Why do you believe they need to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) Because I believe not doing so is exploiting people that don’t know better. If it wasn’t then there wouldn’t be a problem with being upfront about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bear_delune@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago Okay, I guess I simply disagree that it’s their responsibility to tell other people there are alternatives to their service and I don’t think any other software vendor is beholden to such a requirement either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bear_delune@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) Why do you believe they need to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) Because I believe not doing so is exploiting people that don’t know better. If it wasn’t then there wouldn’t be a problem with being upfront about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bear_delune@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago Okay, I guess I simply disagree that it’s their responsibility to tell other people there are alternatives to their service and I don’t think any other software vendor is beholden to such a requirement either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) Because I believe not doing so is exploiting people that don’t know better. If it wasn’t then there wouldn’t be a problem with being upfront about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bear_delune@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago Okay, I guess I simply disagree that it’s their responsibility to tell other people there are alternatives to their service and I don’t think any other software vendor is beholden to such a requirement either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bear_delune@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago Okay, I guess I simply disagree that it’s their responsibility to tell other people there are alternatives to their service and I don’t think any other software vendor is beholden to such a requirement either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kalpol@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) So does Mint though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bear_delune@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago And people are free to use mint if they want permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bear_delune@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago And people are free to use mint if they want permalink fedilink source parent