Short Summary of the Community Drama of the Linux Distribution "NixOS", so that you can get the big picture and form your own opinion with the provided sources.

Clarification of the "Steering Comittee" as Project Leadership

Moderation Team resigns in Protest

Technical Leadership works for Military Company, causing Fear of Alignment with Facism.

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[–] 44 points 1 year ago (20 children)

I've been saying this for years: Just switch to Guix.

  • An official GNU project;
  • Herd instead of systemd;
  • Uses Linux Libre and only 100% free software;
  • Big, friendly, helpful community;
  • Regular meetups, unconferences and other events;
  • Config is done in an established language (Scheme) instead of an idiosyncratic DSL.
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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Also, a fraction of packages, users and guides.

    I think Guix is great, but as a NixOS enthusiast who genuinely wanted to try it out, I gave up in the face of the lack of docs for people who aren't working in lab or have a PhD in computing of some sort.

    Also, how is shepherd better than systems? Genuinely curious.

    Lastly, I agree Nix is not a very enjoyable language, but scheme doesn't look like a very beginner friendly option either. Could be wrong, I'm not a programmer.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    As someone who is curious about Nix but has given up after trying to wade through the myriad and conflicting "getting started" resources for it, I cant imagine how bad guix docs must be for a Nix enthusiast to adandon it.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Guix basically only has the official docs (which has a lot missing in my experience), a single Youtube channel (System Crafters), official issues/mailing list/IRC, System Crafters forum, the source code, toys.whereis.social, and rarely a blog post or random git repo that might have the information you need

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Im honestly more interested in Nix, as even with all the chaos it feels like it has good technical momentum. I just wish there was something equivalent to Geerlings "Ansibles for devops" or Shotts "The linux command line" for it.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Is it non-trivial to enable non-free repos?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Never tried! But I'm assuming it's a pain indeed. Not even Signal Desktop works out-of-the-box (or maybe at all, haven't tried either) because of Electron.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That sounds like a pretty useless replacement for people who want a declarative configuration and a PC capable of doing anything other than contributing code to open source projects.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    It seems to me like you didn't do your homework before posting, since what you write is patently untrue. Guix is actually, primarily, a (very much functional/declarative) package manager which you can also install on top of other Linuces, even RHEL. Then there's the Guix operating system, which is very much useful for many tasks other than developing free software.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    How do you do Flakes with Guix? That's probably the most important feature Nix has.

    Big, ... helpful community

    Not sure I would agree with that lol

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    whenever I asked about something in irc I got fairly swift and very helpful responses 🤷

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago*

    I was trying to package Typst for them once. The IRC barely gave me any help, nor did the mailing list, so I had to guess a lot of things on my own. I ended up spending several hours working on it and fine tuning it to what the documentation wanted as much as I could. Then I finally made the submission, which was ignored for an entire year, before finally being rejected. It's clear that the package repository has a severe lack of packages, but if there's no clear way to contribute, then idk how anyone can take the project seriously.

    I've also encountered bugs that made the tools unusable on my laptop that similarly got no response on IRC and the mailing lists.

    Meanwhile on Nix, if I submit an issue on Nixpkgs, it will usually get resolved by the maintainer in 24 hours, or at most a week if it's a larger change, and I don't even have to do anything, and things aren't constantly broken on aarch64.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I've considered it, but i like nix better than scheme, and i need non-free software and kernel, which is doable with non-guix but much more tedious with third party iso's. I went back to Void linux but i still use nix + home manager, and the huge repo alone wins out for me.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I've been eyeing Guix for a while but haven't jumped in yet. Honestly, I feel like I'm finally getting comfortable with nixos and flakes over the years. There's quite a bit of un/relearning to do, and I can't tell if the flow of Guix's channels/inferiors would match the ease of composability that I like with flakes. The lock system really does it for me and I don't like the idea of hunting down refs to pin manually or maintaining my own frankenstein repo (other than my config).

    That said, I do use emacs and actually like lisp, so I'm torn right now.

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