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Is Star Trek Discovery that bad? (startrek.website)
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I recently saw Star Trek Picard, the first season was okey, season 2 was awful, the season 3 was nice.

Acording some critics last Discovery season is bad, so now I'm afraid of looking a series who has a bad ending, it worth to watch or is as painful as Picard Season 2? Or I should watch Strange New Worlds and Enterprise instead?

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[–] -4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

• Nihilistic, apocalyptic future

Do you have any examples of the Nihilism? I'm struggling to think of any... In fact Season 3 was about maintaining optimism and faith in the strength of the Federation against unbelievable odds.

• Bad guys that are just bad, they’re evil, don’t ask questions

Khan, Gul Dukat and the Clown from Voyager were all in Discovery?

• One principal star of the show that is the focus of nearly every episode

I agree that there was a main character, but I also enjoy a lot of media with a main character so I don't see that as a bad thing.

• No attempt to explain things with any veneer of science

I suggest you avoid watching TNG and TOS because they do the same thing!

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't have much time to respond so I'm going to just hit one bullet for now:

    Are you going to try to argue that Khan and Gul Dukat weren't given nuance and development? Some of the things that made them such compelling antagonists is that we were given insight into their motives and backgrounds and perspectives. Khan absolutely was nuanced and the persecution and illegality of genetically enhanced humans was a great stepping off point for him. Just about every antagonist that pops up in Star Trek gets some kind of explanation why they are doing the things they are doing, and the crew takes a moment to acknowledge their inherent worth as living beings and, if they're sentient, discuss possibilities for negotiations or nonviolence. I haven't forgotten that Klingons, Ferengi, Borg, Cardassians and many others start off as villains, but we are given many opportunities for them to be "humanized" through characters like Worf, Quark, Hugh/Seven, Garak and others. There are no "good" or "bad" aliens in Star Trek.

    So keeping that in mind, how did things go with the Ba'Ul? How did they handle Control? What nuance was Lorca given? In Discovery, your first impression of a bad guy being bad is always correct.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Gul Dukat

    Maybe you drew too fast shot yourself in the foot?

    Gul Dukat is arguably the most wellformed villain in ST canon. He is a delusional maniac pursuing a twisted vision of greatness. He even works alongside our heroes for a time!

    Can I offer you an Armus instead?

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