pinkdrunkenelephants comments on The kind of dumbassery I've had to deal with this weekend both IRL and online. Someone kill me please.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz [S] -2 points 3 years ago* (6 children)

Rapists always pose an immediate grave threat to their victims. It's part and parcel of being raped.

They also always are an immediate and grave threat to the community as they can, will and do rape dozens of people in their lifetime. IIRC the average is about 100 over their lifespan.

So yes, we can morally do so. The law is archaic, outdated, sexist, anti-victim and therefore needs to be ignored or repealed so social and moral progress can continue.

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[–] RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (5 children)

If you're actually suggesting that someone should be able to go out and exact vigilante justice without consequence, I'm not the one who's insane and immoral here.

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[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz [S] -2 points 3 years ago* (4 children)

If you're actually defending rape and rape apologia by appealing to 90's revenge movie cliches, you clearly are the one who is insane and immoral.

You're literally the dumb fuck in the meme insinuating that rape victims should tolerate being raped -- and the presence of their rapists -- simply to make yourself feel better.

You are insinuating rapists should be able to go out and plunder human lives without consequence.

And you are ignoring that murdering rapists (or anyone who tries to seriously harm you) is a natural human right people are born with, and that right transcends the law of any country. It is part of your heritage as a living being on this earth and you need to learn to respect it.

Honestly. 🤦

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[–] RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (3 children)

Jesus christ, you're really not getting it. I neither said or implied any of those things.

Violent assailant holding you down = rape

Stealthing = rape

Rape can cover everything down to refusing consent to a particular sexual position or activity, despite consenting to everything but. We're not disagreeing here.

Where you seem to be getting hung up is the idea that the slightest consensual breach somehow justifies homicide, even after the fact.

There exists a concept known as proportionality. A proportional response to being forcibly held against your will is all the violence you can muster. A proportional response to disagreeing with a particular act is pushing away and (assuming they relent afterwards) and leaving. Are you getting this now?

And you are ignoring that murdering rapists (or anyone who tries to seriously harm you) is a natural human right people are born with, and that right transcends the law of any country. It is part of your heritage as a living being on this earth and you need to learn to respect it.

There is no such as a natural human right, and since "murder" is purely a legal concept, your statement is nonsensical.

We are thin skinned apes with less hair who evolved to develop language, technology, and civilization. Rights are privileges established by civilization. The same civilization that decided that, maybe, it's better to also establish a set of rules so that people can't just go around raping and killing each other willy nilly.

You sound like you'd rather live in an anarchist hellscape. Good luck with that.

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[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz [S] 0 points 3 years ago (2 children)

No, you're not getting it: your position naturally extends to those conclusions because that is where your mindset is rooted in: absolutist nonviolence allows, enables, and requires the most blatant of cruelties because it is by is own nature illogical and self-defeating, and to get around its endless broken logic loops, sacrifices are made, and those sacrifices are victims who can't fight back.

This is why we reject such nonsense, and why we support a rape victim's inherent natural right to use violence to protect themselves, especially after the fact when rapists can and do taunt their victims or harm them again or others, and it's why we live under principles based on natural rights and not on your authoritarian garbage.

Let me guess: you learned about morality from DC comics and not from actually reading or thinking about it, or experiencing any of this (though I am sure you will just lie and say you did in your next response so you can win the argument).

There is no such as a natural human right

🤣🤣🤣

Yep, called it. Authoritarian garbage.

See yourself out that way --> 🗑️

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[–] RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

Ironic that you mentioned comics since you're the one living in a world with imaginary things that don't exist.

I'm done trying to reason with someone who thinks woo woo spirit universe whatever the fuck impulsive whims should be the guiding principle of humanity.

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[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz [S] 2 points 3 years ago*

And now rape and its extremely serious consequences don't exist.

And not wanting to be raped or suffer the existence of a rapist is now "woo woo spirit universe whatever the fuck impulsive whims" and therefore inconsequential and invalid.

This is why we don't listen to rape apologists. That right there. They don't care about our rights, only the non existent rights of rapists, and they think victims are the ones who don't have rights and should just learn to put up with it.

Who would want to live in a world like that?

We don't need a garbage can for your sorry ass, we need a DUMP TRUCK.

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