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[โ€“] [email protected] 100 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

Most would agree with your point - right up until you suggest that having an "uncorrupt government" is remotely possible.

Pretty much the same level of unrealistic idealism as folks who think it's remotely possible to transition a state to communism without it turning into authoritarianism.

There, now I've pissed off everyone lol

Edit: Except, I guess for the hardcore capitalists, but I assume those guys are all too dumb to read, so no point, really ๐Ÿคท

[โ€“] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Pretty much the same level of unrealistic idealism as folks who think it's remotely possible to transition a state to communism without it turning into authoritarianism.

i wonder why this happens thonk

[โ€“] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Luckily an entirely uncorrupt government is not necessary, since that is indeed quite unlikely to ever happen. It is enough to have low corruption, which is much more achievable.

[โ€“] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i think i agree, it's not that hard because you only need 3 ingredients for a prosperous capitalist society: 1) reasonably clean and effective government; 2) good regulation, which takes care of workers and the environment in the country; 3) a heavily exploited third world where 1st world mining companies go to get cheap resources and employ a semi-slave labor force that has to drink the resulting poisoned water, and if they ever have the gall to revolt you just sanction or nato-bomb their asses back to the stone age

it has been working for centuries, i dunno why these leftoids keep talking shit

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly at this point, even a low corruption government seems harder than balancing a boulder on a toothpick for the super powers of the world

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe so, but... That might be because China and America have too much international power. Power attracts the corrupt and global power attracts the most corrupt on the globe.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

There's a book about why power seems to attract this sort of people - can't remember the name right now, might update later.

In short, it's not power on its own, but rather the systems we built around and for power, making it unattractive for people we want to end up in power, while the people who we don't want to end up in power pursue it regardless because they want power for the sake of it.

What I'm trying to say is, this is another issue that we can actually tackle and solve to a large degree. There's hope!

[โ€“] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

All states are authoritarian. Where do you think all the authority comes from?

A state having authority isn't always a bad thing though, the current state is really great if you're a white male property owner!

And those guys won't be too happy if you take that state away from them, so whatever comes next would need the authority to resist that counter-revolution.

But that's authoritarian, so we should just let them take back over and keep doing the authoritarianism that supports their interests.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Where do you think all the authority comes from?

And why do they consistently seem to find that authority to be necessary? parenti-hands

[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Except me, your friendly neighborhood anarcho-communist

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Came here to post this. Sure seems like states are the problem here...

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Same, I have no problem with any of that

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

FINALLY! My searches had ended! I found anarcho-communist!

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You should spread the word about lemmyunleashed.net its a really small instance that operates democratically. I'm the only ancom here (that I know of) but I think it'd be a great place for anarchists due to its direct democratic nature. And anarchists don't really have a space of their own on lemmy that I know of

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Or we should start our own instance, but idk how to do that so someone else will need to figure that out lol

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Sup, Comrade Spood (โŒโ– โ€ฟโ– )

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Edit: Except, I guess for the hardcore capitalists, but I assume those guys are all too dumb to read, so no point, really ๐Ÿคท

Checks out.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
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[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

same level of unrealistic idealism as folks who think it's remotely possible to transition a state to communism without it turning into authoritarianism.

same level of unrealistic idealism as folks who think it's remotely possible to transition a state to communism from authoritarianism.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

No, you're right. Anarchism is the way (: