▲ 1568 ▼ Google: 'Your $1000 phone needs our permission to install apps now'". Android users are screwed - Louis Rossmann (youtube.com) submitted 1 year ago by rustyredox@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 499 comments fedilink hide all child comments https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Android_Developer_Verification
[+] waldo_was_here@piefed.social 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (57 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 57 child comments replies: [–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 145 points 1 year ago (3 children) Well the assumption is that the Graphene team will be able to maintain non-store app installs. There's recent news that Google is no longer providing update packages the way they used to which will make it harder on Graphene to update stuff too. We can't assume that Google's next update will not functionally block the ability for GrapheneOS as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] rhymepurple@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 year ago I believe Google plans to use Google Play Services to block side loaded apps. By default, GrapheneOS does not come with Google Play Services installed. I am not sure how things would work if the sandboxes version of Google Play Services that GrapheneOS provides is installed. The issue about maintaining/updating GrapheneOS is a separate issue from side loading apps. That was due to Google shifting the development of Android to a closed source model and only open sourcing the final code. This limits the Grapheme team's ability to anticipate changes and make any required adjustments until after the release of Android. permalink fedilink source parent [–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (1 child) The Graphene OS team have said that they are going to continue, have received the pixel 10 phones they ordered and have put out a statement regarding this issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 62 points 1 year ago* No they didn't.. https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/25099-pixel-10-still-too-early-to-ask-us-when-it-will-be-supported Our Pixel 10 support will likely only be possible to complete after we finish porting to Android 16 QPR1 which is being released in September. They don't know IF they can even support it until they figure out the new releases that are jacking up their dev cycle. It will be significantly more work than usual to support the new Pixel 10 phones since Android 16 removed the Pixel device trees from the Android Open Source Project. However, that was already only part of what we need for device support and we worked around it by expanding our automated tooling. This is exactly the issue I'm referencing. Google can completely sabotage this route. We don't know yet. Edit: I should clarify that they did say they're trying to continue, but should they not be able to crack the device tree issues they will be stuck. Nothing they released said that they've figured this issue out yet. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ilmagico@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago Sure, but the problem is the ecosystem of alternatives stores effectively collapsing or falling under Google's control. That will affect everybody who uses them, whether on GrapheneOS, LineageOS or certified devices. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 45 points 1 year ago (12 children) Only a matter of time before Google will shut that down too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] extremeboredom@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (11 children) GrapheneOS is one of the last bastions of freedom remaining. I don't know what we'll do if that happens. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) For my next phone it will be between a used Pixel with Graphene OS and the Fairphone 6 with the de-Googled e/OS option. A modern Pixel would be a little better for CPU, camera and RAM, but the Fairphone has decent hardware specs and tries to be more ethical about the environment and its suppliers, and it has a replaceable battery. The Fairphone is expensive in the USA though. https://shop.fairphone.com/the-fairphone-gen-6-e-operating-system https://www.wired.com/review/fairphone-gen-6/ Edit: After reading this thread I would lean towards Graphene OS: https://lemmy.ca/post/50750274 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] napoleonsdumbcousin@feddit.org 11 points 1 year ago Recently a user here did the math on that and the fair/eco part of fairphone is really miniscule (they spend less than 5$ per phone and a big part of that are fairwashing credits). Unless you need the repairability or the specific specs, you might be better off to buy a cheaper phone and just donate money to a good cause. Here is the original post: https://lemmy.world/post/32013987 permalink fedilink source parent [–] uthredii@programming.dev 11 points 1 year ago (5 children) sailfish? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (4 children) I've quickily looked up Sailfish and am shocked that we haven't been hearing more about it. Why is so? Where's the catch? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sickday@fedia.io 13 points 1 year ago We currently sell and ship Jolla C2 within the European Union, the United Kingdom, Norway, and Switzerland. From a cursory glance, they don't ship to any of the largest smartphone markets. That's likely why you don't hear much about them as opposed to any of the global distributors. permalink fedilink source parent [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children) It actually looks decent, and their C2 phone looks reasonable though not premium (8GB RAM, 4G LTE, a 1600x720 screen and no fingerprint reader are not brilliant specs, though they'll do the job and it's a nice looking phone). The OS subscription might put some people off though: you get one year of updates and then have to pay about €5 per month. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I'm pretty curious about the C2, as well, but don't live in their market, and don't want to pay 100% of the phone cost in shipping fees, etc. And after all that, I have no guarantee of support. As for the €60 per year, my latest phone is an S22 Ultra, half of whose features I no longer use due to the updated Samsung TOS. I can absorb that cost for the sake of updates, if they'd let me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [+] Photuris@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 2 points 1 year ago A phone that works with proper linux: PostmarketOS, Sailfish OS or Ubuntu Touch. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [+] fakeplastic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 9 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] DemBoSain@midwest.social 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Everywhere I talk about some corporation removing features you bought and paid for, someone says that "they personally would never used that feature", or "serves them right for buying from that company". In other words, go fuck yourself. permalink fedilink source parent [–] neo2478@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago (8 children) Just give google more money, no thanks. Fairphone with lineage OS is a better option in my opinion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Fairphone is contributing directly to the linux kernel so they have my vote! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] neo2478@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago Plus their mission to try to make a phone with fair materials and compensation in their entire production chain. Is it perfect, of course not, but a lot better than all other brands. permalink fedilink source parent [–] extremeboredom@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (5 children) Easy. Refurbed phone. Google didn't get a penny. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] neo2478@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) That’s keeps the used price for pixels high, which encourages people to buy new pixels cause they know it has a good resale market. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] lystopad@mbin.twink.men 12 points 1 year ago (3 children) what will most people do, who don't have a google pixel? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] don@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 year ago (1 child) lol the pinned comment on this video is “Ok, so what do i switch to now? I refuse apple. So what do i have to chose from?”, and Louis’ reply is “nothing”. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago And it's not surprising he has that answer. I don't think I've seen but one video from this guy but it was him talking about how that lead Dev from graphene was harassing him. And up to that point he was super big into graphene apparently. permalink fedilink source parent [+] waldo_was_here@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 year ago Yes, throw more money towards the company doing this, sounds solid permalink fedilink source parent [–] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 8 points 1 year ago Pixel phones cost several times what my phone costed. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) The delictable irony that if you don't want to use their os, you need to use their phone permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (20 replies)
[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 145 points 1 year ago (3 children) Well the assumption is that the Graphene team will be able to maintain non-store app installs. There's recent news that Google is no longer providing update packages the way they used to which will make it harder on Graphene to update stuff too. We can't assume that Google's next update will not functionally block the ability for GrapheneOS as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] rhymepurple@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 year ago I believe Google plans to use Google Play Services to block side loaded apps. By default, GrapheneOS does not come with Google Play Services installed. I am not sure how things would work if the sandboxes version of Google Play Services that GrapheneOS provides is installed. The issue about maintaining/updating GrapheneOS is a separate issue from side loading apps. That was due to Google shifting the development of Android to a closed source model and only open sourcing the final code. This limits the Grapheme team's ability to anticipate changes and make any required adjustments until after the release of Android. permalink fedilink source parent [–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (1 child) The Graphene OS team have said that they are going to continue, have received the pixel 10 phones they ordered and have put out a statement regarding this issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 62 points 1 year ago* No they didn't.. https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/25099-pixel-10-still-too-early-to-ask-us-when-it-will-be-supported Our Pixel 10 support will likely only be possible to complete after we finish porting to Android 16 QPR1 which is being released in September. They don't know IF they can even support it until they figure out the new releases that are jacking up their dev cycle. It will be significantly more work than usual to support the new Pixel 10 phones since Android 16 removed the Pixel device trees from the Android Open Source Project. However, that was already only part of what we need for device support and we worked around it by expanding our automated tooling. This is exactly the issue I'm referencing. Google can completely sabotage this route. We don't know yet. Edit: I should clarify that they did say they're trying to continue, but should they not be able to crack the device tree issues they will be stuck. Nothing they released said that they've figured this issue out yet. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rhymepurple@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 year ago I believe Google plans to use Google Play Services to block side loaded apps. By default, GrapheneOS does not come with Google Play Services installed. I am not sure how things would work if the sandboxes version of Google Play Services that GrapheneOS provides is installed. The issue about maintaining/updating GrapheneOS is a separate issue from side loading apps. That was due to Google shifting the development of Android to a closed source model and only open sourcing the final code. This limits the Grapheme team's ability to anticipate changes and make any required adjustments until after the release of Android. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (1 child) The Graphene OS team have said that they are going to continue, have received the pixel 10 phones they ordered and have put out a statement regarding this issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 62 points 1 year ago* No they didn't.. https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/25099-pixel-10-still-too-early-to-ask-us-when-it-will-be-supported Our Pixel 10 support will likely only be possible to complete after we finish porting to Android 16 QPR1 which is being released in September. They don't know IF they can even support it until they figure out the new releases that are jacking up their dev cycle. It will be significantly more work than usual to support the new Pixel 10 phones since Android 16 removed the Pixel device trees from the Android Open Source Project. However, that was already only part of what we need for device support and we worked around it by expanding our automated tooling. This is exactly the issue I'm referencing. Google can completely sabotage this route. We don't know yet. Edit: I should clarify that they did say they're trying to continue, but should they not be able to crack the device tree issues they will be stuck. Nothing they released said that they've figured this issue out yet. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 62 points 1 year ago* No they didn't.. https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/25099-pixel-10-still-too-early-to-ask-us-when-it-will-be-supported Our Pixel 10 support will likely only be possible to complete after we finish porting to Android 16 QPR1 which is being released in September. They don't know IF they can even support it until they figure out the new releases that are jacking up their dev cycle. It will be significantly more work than usual to support the new Pixel 10 phones since Android 16 removed the Pixel device trees from the Android Open Source Project. However, that was already only part of what we need for device support and we worked around it by expanding our automated tooling. This is exactly the issue I'm referencing. Google can completely sabotage this route. We don't know yet. Edit: I should clarify that they did say they're trying to continue, but should they not be able to crack the device tree issues they will be stuck. Nothing they released said that they've figured this issue out yet. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ilmagico@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago Sure, but the problem is the ecosystem of alternatives stores effectively collapsing or falling under Google's control. That will affect everybody who uses them, whether on GrapheneOS, LineageOS or certified devices. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 45 points 1 year ago (12 children) Only a matter of time before Google will shut that down too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] extremeboredom@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (11 children) GrapheneOS is one of the last bastions of freedom remaining. I don't know what we'll do if that happens. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) For my next phone it will be between a used Pixel with Graphene OS and the Fairphone 6 with the de-Googled e/OS option. A modern Pixel would be a little better for CPU, camera and RAM, but the Fairphone has decent hardware specs and tries to be more ethical about the environment and its suppliers, and it has a replaceable battery. The Fairphone is expensive in the USA though. https://shop.fairphone.com/the-fairphone-gen-6-e-operating-system https://www.wired.com/review/fairphone-gen-6/ Edit: After reading this thread I would lean towards Graphene OS: https://lemmy.ca/post/50750274 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] napoleonsdumbcousin@feddit.org 11 points 1 year ago Recently a user here did the math on that and the fair/eco part of fairphone is really miniscule (they spend less than 5$ per phone and a big part of that are fairwashing credits). Unless you need the repairability or the specific specs, you might be better off to buy a cheaper phone and just donate money to a good cause. Here is the original post: https://lemmy.world/post/32013987 permalink fedilink source parent [–] uthredii@programming.dev 11 points 1 year ago (5 children) sailfish? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (4 children) I've quickily looked up Sailfish and am shocked that we haven't been hearing more about it. Why is so? Where's the catch? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sickday@fedia.io 13 points 1 year ago We currently sell and ship Jolla C2 within the European Union, the United Kingdom, Norway, and Switzerland. From a cursory glance, they don't ship to any of the largest smartphone markets. That's likely why you don't hear much about them as opposed to any of the global distributors. permalink fedilink source parent [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children) It actually looks decent, and their C2 phone looks reasonable though not premium (8GB RAM, 4G LTE, a 1600x720 screen and no fingerprint reader are not brilliant specs, though they'll do the job and it's a nice looking phone). The OS subscription might put some people off though: you get one year of updates and then have to pay about €5 per month. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I'm pretty curious about the C2, as well, but don't live in their market, and don't want to pay 100% of the phone cost in shipping fees, etc. And after all that, I have no guarantee of support. As for the €60 per year, my latest phone is an S22 Ultra, half of whose features I no longer use due to the updated Samsung TOS. I can absorb that cost for the sake of updates, if they'd let me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [+] Photuris@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 2 points 1 year ago A phone that works with proper linux: PostmarketOS, Sailfish OS or Ubuntu Touch. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] extremeboredom@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (11 children) GrapheneOS is one of the last bastions of freedom remaining. I don't know what we'll do if that happens. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) For my next phone it will be between a used Pixel with Graphene OS and the Fairphone 6 with the de-Googled e/OS option. A modern Pixel would be a little better for CPU, camera and RAM, but the Fairphone has decent hardware specs and tries to be more ethical about the environment and its suppliers, and it has a replaceable battery. The Fairphone is expensive in the USA though. https://shop.fairphone.com/the-fairphone-gen-6-e-operating-system https://www.wired.com/review/fairphone-gen-6/ Edit: After reading this thread I would lean towards Graphene OS: https://lemmy.ca/post/50750274 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] napoleonsdumbcousin@feddit.org 11 points 1 year ago Recently a user here did the math on that and the fair/eco part of fairphone is really miniscule (they spend less than 5$ per phone and a big part of that are fairwashing credits). Unless you need the repairability or the specific specs, you might be better off to buy a cheaper phone and just donate money to a good cause. Here is the original post: https://lemmy.world/post/32013987 permalink fedilink source parent [–] uthredii@programming.dev 11 points 1 year ago (5 children) sailfish? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (4 children) I've quickily looked up Sailfish and am shocked that we haven't been hearing more about it. Why is so? Where's the catch? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sickday@fedia.io 13 points 1 year ago We currently sell and ship Jolla C2 within the European Union, the United Kingdom, Norway, and Switzerland. From a cursory glance, they don't ship to any of the largest smartphone markets. That's likely why you don't hear much about them as opposed to any of the global distributors. permalink fedilink source parent [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children) It actually looks decent, and their C2 phone looks reasonable though not premium (8GB RAM, 4G LTE, a 1600x720 screen and no fingerprint reader are not brilliant specs, though they'll do the job and it's a nice looking phone). The OS subscription might put some people off though: you get one year of updates and then have to pay about €5 per month. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I'm pretty curious about the C2, as well, but don't live in their market, and don't want to pay 100% of the phone cost in shipping fees, etc. And after all that, I have no guarantee of support. As for the €60 per year, my latest phone is an S22 Ultra, half of whose features I no longer use due to the updated Samsung TOS. I can absorb that cost for the sake of updates, if they'd let me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [+] Photuris@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 2 points 1 year ago A phone that works with proper linux: PostmarketOS, Sailfish OS or Ubuntu Touch. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) For my next phone it will be between a used Pixel with Graphene OS and the Fairphone 6 with the de-Googled e/OS option. A modern Pixel would be a little better for CPU, camera and RAM, but the Fairphone has decent hardware specs and tries to be more ethical about the environment and its suppliers, and it has a replaceable battery. The Fairphone is expensive in the USA though. https://shop.fairphone.com/the-fairphone-gen-6-e-operating-system https://www.wired.com/review/fairphone-gen-6/ Edit: After reading this thread I would lean towards Graphene OS: https://lemmy.ca/post/50750274 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] napoleonsdumbcousin@feddit.org 11 points 1 year ago Recently a user here did the math on that and the fair/eco part of fairphone is really miniscule (they spend less than 5$ per phone and a big part of that are fairwashing credits). Unless you need the repairability or the specific specs, you might be better off to buy a cheaper phone and just donate money to a good cause. Here is the original post: https://lemmy.world/post/32013987 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] napoleonsdumbcousin@feddit.org 11 points 1 year ago Recently a user here did the math on that and the fair/eco part of fairphone is really miniscule (they spend less than 5$ per phone and a big part of that are fairwashing credits). Unless you need the repairability or the specific specs, you might be better off to buy a cheaper phone and just donate money to a good cause. Here is the original post: https://lemmy.world/post/32013987 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] uthredii@programming.dev 11 points 1 year ago (5 children) sailfish? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (4 children) I've quickily looked up Sailfish and am shocked that we haven't been hearing more about it. Why is so? Where's the catch? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sickday@fedia.io 13 points 1 year ago We currently sell and ship Jolla C2 within the European Union, the United Kingdom, Norway, and Switzerland. From a cursory glance, they don't ship to any of the largest smartphone markets. That's likely why you don't hear much about them as opposed to any of the global distributors. permalink fedilink source parent [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children) It actually looks decent, and their C2 phone looks reasonable though not premium (8GB RAM, 4G LTE, a 1600x720 screen and no fingerprint reader are not brilliant specs, though they'll do the job and it's a nice looking phone). The OS subscription might put some people off though: you get one year of updates and then have to pay about €5 per month. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I'm pretty curious about the C2, as well, but don't live in their market, and don't want to pay 100% of the phone cost in shipping fees, etc. And after all that, I have no guarantee of support. As for the €60 per year, my latest phone is an S22 Ultra, half of whose features I no longer use due to the updated Samsung TOS. I can absorb that cost for the sake of updates, if they'd let me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (4 children) I've quickily looked up Sailfish and am shocked that we haven't been hearing more about it. Why is so? Where's the catch? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sickday@fedia.io 13 points 1 year ago We currently sell and ship Jolla C2 within the European Union, the United Kingdom, Norway, and Switzerland. From a cursory glance, they don't ship to any of the largest smartphone markets. That's likely why you don't hear much about them as opposed to any of the global distributors. permalink fedilink source parent [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children) It actually looks decent, and their C2 phone looks reasonable though not premium (8GB RAM, 4G LTE, a 1600x720 screen and no fingerprint reader are not brilliant specs, though they'll do the job and it's a nice looking phone). The OS subscription might put some people off though: you get one year of updates and then have to pay about €5 per month. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I'm pretty curious about the C2, as well, but don't live in their market, and don't want to pay 100% of the phone cost in shipping fees, etc. And after all that, I have no guarantee of support. As for the €60 per year, my latest phone is an S22 Ultra, half of whose features I no longer use due to the updated Samsung TOS. I can absorb that cost for the sake of updates, if they'd let me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] sickday@fedia.io 13 points 1 year ago We currently sell and ship Jolla C2 within the European Union, the United Kingdom, Norway, and Switzerland. From a cursory glance, they don't ship to any of the largest smartphone markets. That's likely why you don't hear much about them as opposed to any of the global distributors. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children) It actually looks decent, and their C2 phone looks reasonable though not premium (8GB RAM, 4G LTE, a 1600x720 screen and no fingerprint reader are not brilliant specs, though they'll do the job and it's a nice looking phone). The OS subscription might put some people off though: you get one year of updates and then have to pay about €5 per month. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I'm pretty curious about the C2, as well, but don't live in their market, and don't want to pay 100% of the phone cost in shipping fees, etc. And after all that, I have no guarantee of support. As for the €60 per year, my latest phone is an S22 Ultra, half of whose features I no longer use due to the updated Samsung TOS. I can absorb that cost for the sake of updates, if they'd let me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I'm pretty curious about the C2, as well, but don't live in their market, and don't want to pay 100% of the phone cost in shipping fees, etc. And after all that, I have no guarantee of support. As for the €60 per year, my latest phone is an S22 Ultra, half of whose features I no longer use due to the updated Samsung TOS. I can absorb that cost for the sake of updates, if they'd let me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
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[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 2 points 1 year ago A phone that works with proper linux: PostmarketOS, Sailfish OS or Ubuntu Touch. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] fakeplastic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 9 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DemBoSain@midwest.social 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Everywhere I talk about some corporation removing features you bought and paid for, someone says that "they personally would never used that feature", or "serves them right for buying from that company". In other words, go fuck yourself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] neo2478@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago (8 children) Just give google more money, no thanks. Fairphone with lineage OS is a better option in my opinion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Fairphone is contributing directly to the linux kernel so they have my vote! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] neo2478@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago Plus their mission to try to make a phone with fair materials and compensation in their entire production chain. Is it perfect, of course not, but a lot better than all other brands. permalink fedilink source parent [–] extremeboredom@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (5 children) Easy. Refurbed phone. Google didn't get a penny. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] neo2478@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) That’s keeps the used price for pixels high, which encourages people to buy new pixels cause they know it has a good resale market. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Fairphone is contributing directly to the linux kernel so they have my vote! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] neo2478@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago Plus their mission to try to make a phone with fair materials and compensation in their entire production chain. Is it perfect, of course not, but a lot better than all other brands. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] neo2478@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago Plus their mission to try to make a phone with fair materials and compensation in their entire production chain. Is it perfect, of course not, but a lot better than all other brands. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] extremeboredom@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (5 children) Easy. Refurbed phone. Google didn't get a penny. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] neo2478@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) That’s keeps the used price for pixels high, which encourages people to buy new pixels cause they know it has a good resale market. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] neo2478@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) That’s keeps the used price for pixels high, which encourages people to buy new pixels cause they know it has a good resale market. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] lystopad@mbin.twink.men 12 points 1 year ago (3 children) what will most people do, who don't have a google pixel? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] don@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 year ago (1 child) lol the pinned comment on this video is “Ok, so what do i switch to now? I refuse apple. So what do i have to chose from?”, and Louis’ reply is “nothing”. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago And it's not surprising he has that answer. I don't think I've seen but one video from this guy but it was him talking about how that lead Dev from graphene was harassing him. And up to that point he was super big into graphene apparently. permalink fedilink source parent [+] waldo_was_here@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] don@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 year ago (1 child) lol the pinned comment on this video is “Ok, so what do i switch to now? I refuse apple. So what do i have to chose from?”, and Louis’ reply is “nothing”. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago And it's not surprising he has that answer. I don't think I've seen but one video from this guy but it was him talking about how that lead Dev from graphene was harassing him. And up to that point he was super big into graphene apparently. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago And it's not surprising he has that answer. I don't think I've seen but one video from this guy but it was him talking about how that lead Dev from graphene was harassing him. And up to that point he was super big into graphene apparently. permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 year ago Yes, throw more money towards the company doing this, sounds solid permalink fedilink source parent
[–] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 8 points 1 year ago Pixel phones cost several times what my phone costed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) The delictable irony that if you don't want to use their os, you need to use their phone permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)