you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[+] 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (57 children)
  • [–] 145 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Well the assumption is that the Graphene team will be able to maintain non-store app installs. There's recent news that Google is no longer providing update packages the way they used to which will make it harder on Graphene to update stuff too.

    We can't assume that Google's next update will not functionally block the ability for GrapheneOS as well.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago

    I believe Google plans to use Google Play Services to block side loaded apps. By default, GrapheneOS does not come with Google Play Services installed. I am not sure how things would work if the sandboxes version of Google Play Services that GrapheneOS provides is installed.

    The issue about maintaining/updating GrapheneOS is a separate issue from side loading apps. That was due to Google shifting the development of Android to a closed source model and only open sourcing the final code. This limits the Grapheme team's ability to anticipate changes and make any required adjustments until after the release of Android.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The Graphene OS team have said that they are going to continue, have received the pixel 10 phones they ordered and have put out a statement regarding this issue.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 62 points 1 year ago*

    No they didn't..

    https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/25099-pixel-10-still-too-early-to-ask-us-when-it-will-be-supported

    Our Pixel 10 support will likely only be possible to complete after we finish porting to Android 16 QPR1 which is being released in September.

    They don't know IF they can even support it until they figure out the new releases that are jacking up their dev cycle.

    It will be significantly more work than usual to support the new Pixel 10 phones since Android 16 removed the Pixel device trees from the Android Open Source Project. However, that was already only part of what we need for device support and we worked around it by expanding our automated tooling.

    This is exactly the issue I'm referencing. Google can completely sabotage this route. We don't know yet.

    Edit: I should clarify that they did say they're trying to continue, but should they not be able to crack the device tree issues they will be stuck. Nothing they released said that they've figured this issue out yet.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago

    Sure, but the problem is the ecosystem of alternatives stores effectively collapsing or falling under Google's control. That will affect everybody who uses them, whether on GrapheneOS, LineageOS or certified devices.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Only a matter of time before Google will shut that down too.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 12 child comments
  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    GrapheneOS is one of the last bastions of freedom remaining. I don't know what we'll do if that happens.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 11 child comments
  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    For my next phone it will be between a used Pixel with Graphene OS and the Fairphone 6 with the de-Googled e/OS option. A modern Pixel would be a little better for CPU, camera and RAM, but the Fairphone has decent hardware specs and tries to be more ethical about the environment and its suppliers, and it has a replaceable battery. The Fairphone is expensive in the USA though.

    https://shop.fairphone.com/the-fairphone-gen-6-e-operating-system

    https://www.wired.com/review/fairphone-gen-6/

    Edit: After reading this thread I would lean towards Graphene OS:

    https://lemmy.ca/post/50750274

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)
  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I've quickily looked up Sailfish and am shocked that we haven't been hearing more about it. Why is so? Where's the catch?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    It actually looks decent, and their C2 phone looks reasonable though not premium (8GB RAM, 4G LTE, a 1600x720 screen and no fingerprint reader are not brilliant specs, though they'll do the job and it's a nice looking phone). The OS subscription might put some people off though: you get one year of updates and then have to pay about €5 per month.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm pretty curious about the C2, as well, but don't live in their market, and don't want to pay 100% of the phone cost in shipping fees, etc. And after all that, I have no guarantee of support. As for the €60 per year, my latest phone is an S22 Ultra, half of whose features I no longer use due to the updated Samsung TOS. I can absorb that cost for the sake of updates, if they'd let me.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Everywhere I talk about some corporation removing features you bought and paid for, someone says that "they personally would never used that feature", or "serves them right for buying from that company".

    In other words, go fuck yourself.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Just give google more money, no thanks. Fairphone with lineage OS is a better option in my opinion.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 8 child comments
  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    what will most people do, who don't have a google pixel?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    lol the pinned comment on this video is

    “Ok, so what do i switch to now? I refuse apple. So what do i have to chose from?”,

    and Louis’ reply is “nothing”.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • And it's not surprising he has that answer. I don't think I've seen but one video from this guy but it was him talking about how that lead Dev from graphene was harassing him. And up to that point he was super big into graphene apparently.

  • source
  • parent
  • load more comments (20 replies)