▲ 40 ▼ ‘Star Trek: Enterprise’ Cast On How Series Was Last Hurrah For “Boys Club” TV Before Me Too Movement (trekmovie.com) submitted 1 year ago by ValueSubtracted@startrek.website [M] to c/startrek@startrek.website 22 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] cybervseas@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (2 children) I read their responses. I don’t understand how Star Trek Enterprise relates to Me Too and being a “Man’s Man” Star Trek. What are they trying to say? permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago Vulcan in booty shorts. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website [S] 30 points 1 year ago (1 child) As much as "Me Too" was supposed to be about ridding the industry of sexual harassment (and worse), it also had knock-on effects in terms of storytelling, cast composition, etc. I don't think it's controversial to say that "Enterprise" was not terribly progressive by modern standards (or, in my opinion, the standards of the time) when it came to female representation in particular. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] benfell@infosec.exchange 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) @ValueSubtracted @cybervseas By such standards, the Original Series (#TOS) seems positively regressive. I don't mean to defend this, but I'm guessing that, at the time, it was perceived that Enterprise needed to fit into that regression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website [S] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children) Hmm, I don't know about that. It seems less to me like them trying to "match" TOS, and more like a continuation of the trends established on late-period "Voyager"... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] benfell@infosec.exchange 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) @ValueSubtracted I recall noticing the sexism on Enterprise. I don't recall noticing it on Voyager, which had two strong female characters. But I'm an old man raised in a more chauvinistic era--I might not notice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Stillwater@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago (2 children) Seven of Nine's suit was painted on permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago Yeah if they hadn't struck gold with Jeri Ryan that whole situation would have been seen in a whole different light. She and the writers pulled that decision out of the gutter. permalink fedilink source parent [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (3 children) I definitely noticed that. I think Janeway and 7 were well written. B'elana was mostly just angry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) B’elana was mostly just angry. I don't remember shit about B'elana , or much of Voyager characterisation except : Janeway : Hardass Doctor : fun guy Tuvok : generic serious vulcan Neelix : obvious comic relief, silly Chakotay : Native american guy with a cool face tat B'elana being mostly angry makes sense as a Klingon and an engineer. each facet isn't known for being sunshine on rainbows, combined, not exactly going to be a delight. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) True enough. 7 and the EMH we're the best characters in the show, IMHO. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago But what about Kess? permalink fedilink source parent [–] SuluBeddu@feddit.it 5 points 1 year ago I read B'elana as a point that the chief engineer doesn't always need to be some composed nerd. Even a person with deep anger control issues, with interest in (Klingon) religion, can be a good fit for that position and can stand her ground to a literal Borg. Plus ofc Janeway + B'elana and + 7 later, meant that most science-related decision were made by a group of women. But as everyone on the cast, once 7 and doctor were out, the screentime was really compressed 😶 permalink fedilink source parent [–] HubertManne@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Jeri was local and would appear regularly at local cons :p permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Awesome! permalink fedilink source parent [–] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago I do recall that Enterprise was hyped as a response to the demands from (mostly male) fans who wanted a ‘return to exploration’, less ‘magic technology’ and implicitly ‘men doing stuff.’ The 1990s BBS hate of the women in leadership roles in the early seasons of Voyager was savage. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago Vulcan in booty shorts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website [S] 30 points 1 year ago (1 child) As much as "Me Too" was supposed to be about ridding the industry of sexual harassment (and worse), it also had knock-on effects in terms of storytelling, cast composition, etc. I don't think it's controversial to say that "Enterprise" was not terribly progressive by modern standards (or, in my opinion, the standards of the time) when it came to female representation in particular. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] benfell@infosec.exchange 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) @ValueSubtracted @cybervseas By such standards, the Original Series (#TOS) seems positively regressive. I don't mean to defend this, but I'm guessing that, at the time, it was perceived that Enterprise needed to fit into that regression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website [S] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children) Hmm, I don't know about that. It seems less to me like them trying to "match" TOS, and more like a continuation of the trends established on late-period "Voyager"... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] benfell@infosec.exchange 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) @ValueSubtracted I recall noticing the sexism on Enterprise. I don't recall noticing it on Voyager, which had two strong female characters. But I'm an old man raised in a more chauvinistic era--I might not notice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Stillwater@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago (2 children) Seven of Nine's suit was painted on permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago Yeah if they hadn't struck gold with Jeri Ryan that whole situation would have been seen in a whole different light. She and the writers pulled that decision out of the gutter. permalink fedilink source parent [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (3 children) I definitely noticed that. I think Janeway and 7 were well written. B'elana was mostly just angry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) B’elana was mostly just angry. I don't remember shit about B'elana , or much of Voyager characterisation except : Janeway : Hardass Doctor : fun guy Tuvok : generic serious vulcan Neelix : obvious comic relief, silly Chakotay : Native american guy with a cool face tat B'elana being mostly angry makes sense as a Klingon and an engineer. each facet isn't known for being sunshine on rainbows, combined, not exactly going to be a delight. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) True enough. 7 and the EMH we're the best characters in the show, IMHO. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago But what about Kess? permalink fedilink source parent [–] SuluBeddu@feddit.it 5 points 1 year ago I read B'elana as a point that the chief engineer doesn't always need to be some composed nerd. Even a person with deep anger control issues, with interest in (Klingon) religion, can be a good fit for that position and can stand her ground to a literal Borg. Plus ofc Janeway + B'elana and + 7 later, meant that most science-related decision were made by a group of women. But as everyone on the cast, once 7 and doctor were out, the screentime was really compressed 😶 permalink fedilink source parent [–] HubertManne@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Jeri was local and would appear regularly at local cons :p permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Awesome! permalink fedilink source parent [–] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago I do recall that Enterprise was hyped as a response to the demands from (mostly male) fans who wanted a ‘return to exploration’, less ‘magic technology’ and implicitly ‘men doing stuff.’ The 1990s BBS hate of the women in leadership roles in the early seasons of Voyager was savage. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] benfell@infosec.exchange 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) @ValueSubtracted @cybervseas By such standards, the Original Series (#TOS) seems positively regressive. I don't mean to defend this, but I'm guessing that, at the time, it was perceived that Enterprise needed to fit into that regression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website [S] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children) Hmm, I don't know about that. It seems less to me like them trying to "match" TOS, and more like a continuation of the trends established on late-period "Voyager"... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] benfell@infosec.exchange 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) @ValueSubtracted I recall noticing the sexism on Enterprise. I don't recall noticing it on Voyager, which had two strong female characters. But I'm an old man raised in a more chauvinistic era--I might not notice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Stillwater@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago (2 children) Seven of Nine's suit was painted on permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago Yeah if they hadn't struck gold with Jeri Ryan that whole situation would have been seen in a whole different light. She and the writers pulled that decision out of the gutter. permalink fedilink source parent [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (3 children) I definitely noticed that. I think Janeway and 7 were well written. B'elana was mostly just angry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) B’elana was mostly just angry. I don't remember shit about B'elana , or much of Voyager characterisation except : Janeway : Hardass Doctor : fun guy Tuvok : generic serious vulcan Neelix : obvious comic relief, silly Chakotay : Native american guy with a cool face tat B'elana being mostly angry makes sense as a Klingon and an engineer. each facet isn't known for being sunshine on rainbows, combined, not exactly going to be a delight. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) True enough. 7 and the EMH we're the best characters in the show, IMHO. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago But what about Kess? permalink fedilink source parent [–] SuluBeddu@feddit.it 5 points 1 year ago I read B'elana as a point that the chief engineer doesn't always need to be some composed nerd. Even a person with deep anger control issues, with interest in (Klingon) religion, can be a good fit for that position and can stand her ground to a literal Borg. Plus ofc Janeway + B'elana and + 7 later, meant that most science-related decision were made by a group of women. But as everyone on the cast, once 7 and doctor were out, the screentime was really compressed 😶 permalink fedilink source parent [–] HubertManne@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Jeri was local and would appear regularly at local cons :p permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Awesome! permalink fedilink source parent [–] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago I do recall that Enterprise was hyped as a response to the demands from (mostly male) fans who wanted a ‘return to exploration’, less ‘magic technology’ and implicitly ‘men doing stuff.’ The 1990s BBS hate of the women in leadership roles in the early seasons of Voyager was savage. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website [S] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children) Hmm, I don't know about that. It seems less to me like them trying to "match" TOS, and more like a continuation of the trends established on late-period "Voyager"... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] benfell@infosec.exchange 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) @ValueSubtracted I recall noticing the sexism on Enterprise. I don't recall noticing it on Voyager, which had two strong female characters. But I'm an old man raised in a more chauvinistic era--I might not notice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Stillwater@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago (2 children) Seven of Nine's suit was painted on permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago Yeah if they hadn't struck gold with Jeri Ryan that whole situation would have been seen in a whole different light. She and the writers pulled that decision out of the gutter. permalink fedilink source parent [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (3 children) I definitely noticed that. I think Janeway and 7 were well written. B'elana was mostly just angry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) B’elana was mostly just angry. I don't remember shit about B'elana , or much of Voyager characterisation except : Janeway : Hardass Doctor : fun guy Tuvok : generic serious vulcan Neelix : obvious comic relief, silly Chakotay : Native american guy with a cool face tat B'elana being mostly angry makes sense as a Klingon and an engineer. each facet isn't known for being sunshine on rainbows, combined, not exactly going to be a delight. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) True enough. 7 and the EMH we're the best characters in the show, IMHO. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago But what about Kess? permalink fedilink source parent [–] SuluBeddu@feddit.it 5 points 1 year ago I read B'elana as a point that the chief engineer doesn't always need to be some composed nerd. Even a person with deep anger control issues, with interest in (Klingon) religion, can be a good fit for that position and can stand her ground to a literal Borg. Plus ofc Janeway + B'elana and + 7 later, meant that most science-related decision were made by a group of women. But as everyone on the cast, once 7 and doctor were out, the screentime was really compressed 😶 permalink fedilink source parent [–] HubertManne@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Jeri was local and would appear regularly at local cons :p permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Awesome! permalink fedilink source parent [–] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago I do recall that Enterprise was hyped as a response to the demands from (mostly male) fans who wanted a ‘return to exploration’, less ‘magic technology’ and implicitly ‘men doing stuff.’ The 1990s BBS hate of the women in leadership roles in the early seasons of Voyager was savage. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] benfell@infosec.exchange 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) @ValueSubtracted I recall noticing the sexism on Enterprise. I don't recall noticing it on Voyager, which had two strong female characters. But I'm an old man raised in a more chauvinistic era--I might not notice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Stillwater@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago (2 children) Seven of Nine's suit was painted on permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago Yeah if they hadn't struck gold with Jeri Ryan that whole situation would have been seen in a whole different light. She and the writers pulled that decision out of the gutter. permalink fedilink source parent [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (3 children) I definitely noticed that. I think Janeway and 7 were well written. B'elana was mostly just angry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) B’elana was mostly just angry. I don't remember shit about B'elana , or much of Voyager characterisation except : Janeway : Hardass Doctor : fun guy Tuvok : generic serious vulcan Neelix : obvious comic relief, silly Chakotay : Native american guy with a cool face tat B'elana being mostly angry makes sense as a Klingon and an engineer. each facet isn't known for being sunshine on rainbows, combined, not exactly going to be a delight. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) True enough. 7 and the EMH we're the best characters in the show, IMHO. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago But what about Kess? permalink fedilink source parent [–] SuluBeddu@feddit.it 5 points 1 year ago I read B'elana as a point that the chief engineer doesn't always need to be some composed nerd. Even a person with deep anger control issues, with interest in (Klingon) religion, can be a good fit for that position and can stand her ground to a literal Borg. Plus ofc Janeway + B'elana and + 7 later, meant that most science-related decision were made by a group of women. But as everyone on the cast, once 7 and doctor were out, the screentime was really compressed 😶 permalink fedilink source parent [–] HubertManne@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Jeri was local and would appear regularly at local cons :p permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Awesome! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Stillwater@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago (2 children) Seven of Nine's suit was painted on permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago Yeah if they hadn't struck gold with Jeri Ryan that whole situation would have been seen in a whole different light. She and the writers pulled that decision out of the gutter. permalink fedilink source parent [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (3 children) I definitely noticed that. I think Janeway and 7 were well written. B'elana was mostly just angry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) B’elana was mostly just angry. I don't remember shit about B'elana , or much of Voyager characterisation except : Janeway : Hardass Doctor : fun guy Tuvok : generic serious vulcan Neelix : obvious comic relief, silly Chakotay : Native american guy with a cool face tat B'elana being mostly angry makes sense as a Klingon and an engineer. each facet isn't known for being sunshine on rainbows, combined, not exactly going to be a delight. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) True enough. 7 and the EMH we're the best characters in the show, IMHO. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago But what about Kess? permalink fedilink source parent [–] SuluBeddu@feddit.it 5 points 1 year ago I read B'elana as a point that the chief engineer doesn't always need to be some composed nerd. Even a person with deep anger control issues, with interest in (Klingon) religion, can be a good fit for that position and can stand her ground to a literal Borg. Plus ofc Janeway + B'elana and + 7 later, meant that most science-related decision were made by a group of women. But as everyone on the cast, once 7 and doctor were out, the screentime was really compressed 😶 permalink fedilink source parent [–] HubertManne@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Jeri was local and would appear regularly at local cons :p permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Awesome! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago Yeah if they hadn't struck gold with Jeri Ryan that whole situation would have been seen in a whole different light. She and the writers pulled that decision out of the gutter. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (3 children) I definitely noticed that. I think Janeway and 7 were well written. B'elana was mostly just angry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) B’elana was mostly just angry. I don't remember shit about B'elana , or much of Voyager characterisation except : Janeway : Hardass Doctor : fun guy Tuvok : generic serious vulcan Neelix : obvious comic relief, silly Chakotay : Native american guy with a cool face tat B'elana being mostly angry makes sense as a Klingon and an engineer. each facet isn't known for being sunshine on rainbows, combined, not exactly going to be a delight. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) True enough. 7 and the EMH we're the best characters in the show, IMHO. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago But what about Kess? permalink fedilink source parent [–] SuluBeddu@feddit.it 5 points 1 year ago I read B'elana as a point that the chief engineer doesn't always need to be some composed nerd. Even a person with deep anger control issues, with interest in (Klingon) religion, can be a good fit for that position and can stand her ground to a literal Borg. Plus ofc Janeway + B'elana and + 7 later, meant that most science-related decision were made by a group of women. But as everyone on the cast, once 7 and doctor were out, the screentime was really compressed 😶 permalink fedilink source parent [–] HubertManne@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Jeri was local and would appear regularly at local cons :p permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Awesome! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) B’elana was mostly just angry. I don't remember shit about B'elana , or much of Voyager characterisation except : Janeway : Hardass Doctor : fun guy Tuvok : generic serious vulcan Neelix : obvious comic relief, silly Chakotay : Native american guy with a cool face tat B'elana being mostly angry makes sense as a Klingon and an engineer. each facet isn't known for being sunshine on rainbows, combined, not exactly going to be a delight. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) True enough. 7 and the EMH we're the best characters in the show, IMHO. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago But what about Kess? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) True enough. 7 and the EMH we're the best characters in the show, IMHO. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago But what about Kess? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago But what about Kess? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SuluBeddu@feddit.it 5 points 1 year ago I read B'elana as a point that the chief engineer doesn't always need to be some composed nerd. Even a person with deep anger control issues, with interest in (Klingon) religion, can be a good fit for that position and can stand her ground to a literal Borg. Plus ofc Janeway + B'elana and + 7 later, meant that most science-related decision were made by a group of women. But as everyone on the cast, once 7 and doctor were out, the screentime was really compressed 😶 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Jeri was local and would appear regularly at local cons :p permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Awesome! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago I do recall that Enterprise was hyped as a response to the demands from (mostly male) fans who wanted a ‘return to exploration’, less ‘magic technology’ and implicitly ‘men doing stuff.’ The 1990s BBS hate of the women in leadership roles in the early seasons of Voyager was savage. permalink fedilink source parent