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[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (11 children)

No, they're the ones who failed to win that election. They're the ones who willfully did everything they could to avoid taking principled positions and connecting with voters. Will they do it again? You betcha. Go ahead and be mad at millions of people, or demand a bit more from the couple of hundred of your "leaders" whose entire job it is to win elections.

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[–] Triasha@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Wish I had your faith in American voters.

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[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I'm not sure how to take your comment in this context. Do you have more faith in the dem party to run popular and successful campaigns? Whether you have faith in the voters or not, you still need to get them to vote for you.

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[–] Triasha@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

So, you think that if the Dems run a candidate with principled stances and popular positions that people would support them.

I have no such faith in the American voter. They can't tell the difference between principles and propaganda, and they have no idea what's good for them.

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[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Say you're right. What do you do with that information if you're running a campaign? Those are the circumstances. You can't change them, but you want to win.

For me, I understand why you feel that way, but I'm not really in agreement. I think your average voter knows good and well that politicians are generally full of shit. Unfortunately, they feel trapped by the system. This makes them either choose "the lesser evil" or give up entirely. Both of those reactions are understandable given the context. This dynamic has not improved the context.

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[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

They feel trapped by the system because they are trapped by the system. Even the politicians are trapped by the system. Voters know which ones are full of shit because the answer is literally all of them.

AOC has gotten pushback recently for her vote for weapons to Israel. I don't think she forgot where she came from in 8 years, I think she works in a system that is corrosive, where you are punished for pushing back and rewarded for conformity in ways that even the strongest principles cannot resist.

The voters do not care and are not privy to the pressures and compromises the pols are making. I don't think the system is fixable in any foreseeable timeframe. And for that reason, I am content to throw my vote to the least bad candidate. I'll keep doing that in primaries and general elections until we don't get to vote anymore. Hopefully, it never gets that far.

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[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago

Sure, we're all doing what we think is best. We are all worn down by the system, and by our daily struggles. Politics should be helping us. If it's not helping, people lose interest.

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[+] MourningDove@lemmy.zip -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

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[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Aw shucks pardner, you've convinced me to vote against my conscience! Adding my vote will surely put us over the top. What's that? We need to convince millions more? Well, okay, sure seems like it might be easier to scare a few politicians into doing what's right, but I'm down to hear your plan. The plan is to gaslight and browbeat people who recognize the moral bankruptcy in the Democratic party until they just vote for them anyway? Can I at least pretend that genocidal dementia patients like Joe Biden are actually "the most progressive president in history"? I can? Damn, I'm really understanding the attraction now!