CyborgMarx comments on Hasan Platforms "Liberal" Zionist Genocide Propagandist Who Looks Like Vaush

Hasan Platforms "Liberal" Zionist Genocide Propagandist Who Looks Like Vaush (www.youtube.com)

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Gross response.

Here's the Bad Empanada video I finessed this title from. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69BlRK9Jql0

Rare Hasan L. Why the fuck is he doubling down on this? Does Bernie really mean that much to you Hasan? hasan-smash

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Parasocial whining and dishonest rumor-mill bullshit is not "criticism from the left"

When I see real counter-analysis and critique that doesn't arise from cultural and social media "vibes" then I'll take it seriously

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[–] starkillerfish@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

my critique of hasan is very simple:

broadly he has a DSA-right / Democrat-left position on the party-building, which is progressivising the Dems. Because of this, he barely covers anything that the PSL does, if at all + he is attached to the Dems so much that he normalizes the party as leftist (by doing interviews with Dems, not pressuring AOC or Bernie, going to the DNC etc etc.).
he has absolutely atrocious takes on Ukraine. in the same interview with Duss he agrees that USA is "on the right side" of the war. this past week he was also pushing the "trump and putin are gay" meme which is gross.
he has weird "china is doing cultural genocide" takes. he rarely brings it up, so its not as a big deal to me like the other two points, but it also signals to me that hasan doesn't really have a coherent analysis.

i dont know if this counts for you as parasocial whining and / or dishonest rumor-mill bullshit. i am happy to expand on my points further if necessary

edit: another minor point that i remembered is that in context of defending relaxed immigration policies, he often calls US a "nation of immigrants", which is a common liberal take (rather than recognising the US as a settler colonial state.)

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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

not pressuring AOC

He slammed AOC hard during her recent fuck up

he barely covers anything that the PSL does

I mean WE barely cover anything the PSL does, Hasan is not qualified to lead the third party charge, and frankly I don't hold that expectation for him

he has absolutely atrocious takes on Ukraine. in the same interview with Duss he agrees that USA is "on the right side" of the war. this past week he was also pushing the "trump and putin are gay" meme which is gross.

There we go, some actual critique with substance, I feel like I've seen a unicorn

he has weird "china is doing cultural genocide" takes. he rarely brings it up, so its not as a big deal to me like the other two points, but it also signals to me that hasan doesn't really have a coherent analysis.

He more than makes up for it with his regular China glazing videos where he showcases Chinese infrastructure to the normies he babysits

My position on Hasan is simple: He's a pipeline, he introduces baby-level leftism to lotus eating Americans who will never in a million years listen to anything people like us have to say, leftists who ignore the usefulness of Hasan or the nature of his political work strike me as whiners with unrealistic expectations for what should be considered a tool, the man is a tool, a resource, don't worship him but also don't sit there yelling at a basic utility because it didn't help you build a rocket ship to FULL COMMUNISM

Leftists look at a pipeline, smash a spigot into it and then complain about the taste, it's not for you and the constant hunt for reasons (most of them wrong) to dismiss that resource is counter-productive

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[–] starkillerfish@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

He slammed AOC hard during her recent fuck up

i was not aware of this. i was more referring to his interviews with her that never push back on her shitty positions. from what i see he does critisise the dems a lot on stream, but still never breaks from them completely. which is what i think makes his stance aligned with DSA-right (and now the DSA is also broadly against AOC, so it makes sense why he would critique her)

I mean WE barely cover anything the PSL does, Hasan is not qualified to lead the third party charge, and frankly I don't hold that expectation for him

that is fair. i would like him to use his platform to do it, but i also think it is unlikely

There we go, some actual critique with substance, I feel like I've seen a unicorn

unicorn is my second name

He more than makes up for it with his regular China glazing videos where he showcases Chinese infrastructure to the normies he babysits

also fair. i just personally dont like the trend of showing good infrastructure as a proxy of good politics. its not super principled. cool infrastructure is not why we support china.

on your last point, i disagree with the "hasan is a pipeline for baby leftists". i know im in the minority on this one, but ive only really heard anecdotal evidence which seems more like survivors bias (ergo, evidence only from people who "went through the pipeline"). i know way way way more people who became principled leftist organisers for other reasons than political streamers or youtubers. which is why "he is a pipeline" argument seems to me as an excuse for bad politics really. my logic to criticising hasan is the same as for any public figure who positions themself as left / socialist.

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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

on your last point, i disagree with the "hasan is a pipeline for baby leftists". i know im in the minority on this one, but ive only really heard anecdotal evidence which seems more like survivors bias

While it may seem strange to you or me, the dude really does have a hilariously radicalizing effect on certain people, his TikToks are further proof of this, and while I disagree with him on his "grading on a curve" idea concerning politicians, I ironically enough do hold to the idea of grading on a curve when it comes to pipelines and entertainers, otherwise we leftists would never have any fun

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[–] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net [B] 1 point 1 year ago

I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

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[–] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net [B] 1 point 1 year ago*

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[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

You Hasan lovers are the ones with parasocial attachments that make you defend Soc Dem bullshit and imperialism

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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

I don't even watch him, frankly his style and niceness annoys me, but I know his uses and i know the difference between good faith criticism and bullshit contrarian nonsense

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