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Are you a feminist? (If so why, if not why not?) (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
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Might help also to describe what you think feminism is, since it's one of those terms that is overloaded.

I once had a physical therapist tell me she wasn't a feminist because she thought women couldn't be as physically capable as men when serving as soldiers, and seemed to believe feminism requires treating women exactly like men.

I told her I was a feminist because I believe in equal rights for men and women, an idea she did not seem so opposed to.

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[–] 5 points 1 year ago (22 children)

If a person can't accept the basic premise that woman are equal to men, they're sexist by definition. This isn't the fault of "how feminism is promoted".

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (21 children)

    It is. Most people associate feminism with promoting women and not equality. Most people don’t look up the definition in a dictionary

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I care a lot less about what word they use than what ideals they espouse. They can call themselves egalitarians or antisexists or whatever label as long as they oppose sexism, misogyny, heteronormativity, and "gender roles".

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Agreed. I think as a whole society has started giving more value to words than actions. It is backwards, especially when social media is prone to creating echo chambers for words, and actions go unnoticed.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    "most people" are (1) a much smaller group that you think and (2) wrong.

    If your behavior can at all be described as sexist, then you're not a feminist. That includes both Feminism Appropriating Radical Transphobes like JK Rowling.and outright sex pests like Andrew Cuomo.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    Well, I can only comment on my social group and that is the only group i am concerned about in this context. So, it is 'most people' for me.

    If your behavior can at all be described as sexist, then you're not a feminist.

    I hate this polar thinking so much. Everything is not all or none, yes or no, black or white. People are unique and everything is a spectrum. Even Hitler had admirable qualities and if this makes you uneasy, you need to open up your mind.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Even Hitler had admirable qualities

    But certainly the most relevant quality he had was his rabid, genocidal antisemitism, right?

    You wouldn't complain about him being labeled as a eugenicist just because he painted a little when he wasn't slaughtering millions.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (13 children)

    I don’t mix things. I admire Hitler for being a vegan and pursuing art. I absolutely hate what he did with concentration camps.

    But certainly the most relevant quality he had was his rabid, genocidal antisemitism, right?

    Relavant depends on the thing we talk about. If we are talking about history, he isn't winning any Peace or Humanitarian awards.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (12 children)

    "What he did with concentration camps"

    vs

    "Vegan"

    You're not beating the allegations here.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (11 children)

    What do you mean?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (10 children)

    You don't seem to have a problem with the use of labels when it comes to dietary choices, im not sure why you'd go to such lengths to avoid calling Hitler a eugenicist. You even used passive language by saying 'what he did with concentration camps' instead of stating plainly that he 'exterminated 6 million jews' in them.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (9 children)

    You are just proving my point that people get hostile if you use or don’t use some category specific words.

    He killed Jews. It is not a fucking secret.

    You don't seem to have a problem with the use of labels when it comes to dietary choices

    Well yeah, but I didn't say there are only 2 possible diets - carnivore or vegan. There is a shit ton of diets in between - vegetarian, omnivore, eggetarian, pescatarian, etc. You have this messed up mindset that anyone who is not xyz has to be abc, never lmn or def.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (8 children)

    I haven't excluded him as being vegan, I'm just not going out of my way to avoid calling him an antisemitic eugenicist. Just because the label sounds mean doesn't make the label false.

    Sexism is expressed in a lot of different ways, and some are more harmful than others. It doesn't make the label inaccurate simply because it hurts your feelings. You can be a lot of other things in addition to being sexist, too.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Ok, if don’t use the word, do you think I am supporting him?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    I certainly have questions when you're loath to use it for literal- fucking-hitler.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I don’t loath using it. I am curious about your reaction to labels. I criticised Hitler but it was not enough for you. Same thing with feminism.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You didnt criticize him at all, you said you didnt like 'what he did with concentration camps'.

    You have stronger criticism for feminists, and that says quite a bit about your politics.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    I also said he is not getting any peace or humanitarian prize. I also said he killed Jews (killing is bad imo).

    I find your assumption about my views based on use (or lack of) of a single word fascinating. This is very similar to how feminism is promoted and men are grilled for words while actions are ignored.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    A euphemism and an understatement of fact is pretty illuminating on your views of the world's most famous mass murderer.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Ok, I quit. Let your mind make assumptions. I might be a Nazi, I might kill kittens in my free time, I might steal from beggars, let your imagination run wild.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Not everything is a spectrum. You are either actually pregnant or not-pregnsnt. You're either free to go when the officet is talking to you or you are being detained. You either had consent for sex or you didn't.

    For example, if the example you provide to bolster your argument is "Hitler had admirable qualities", then you've jumped all the way past Godwin's law and there's no use talking to you.

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