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[–] n3cr0@lemmy.world 412 points 1 year ago (53 children) Just stick with Firefox and uBlock Origin. permalink fedilink source hideshow 53 child comments replies: [–] fartsparkles@lemmy.world 257 points 1 year ago Especially since Adblock Plus take payment to whitelist adverts. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (31 children) Or even better, Librewolf. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 31 child comments replies: [–] RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (26 children) Honest question, but what makes librewolf BETTER? In firefox you can easily toggle off the studies telemetry bullshit in the settings. Librewolf is just firefox with those things ripped out right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 26 child comments replies: [–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago (1 child) In firefox you can easily toggle off the studies telemetry bullshit in the settings. They're abusing the default and making privacy settings require user intervention rather than defaulting to the most private settings and allowing the option of opting in. It's abusing consent, so people move to browsers where privacy is the default option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FalseTautology@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Blocking abp was the last straw for me, thank you for suggesting librewolf permalink fedilink source parent [–] chunes@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago This is what makes Librewolf better. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (19 children) Yes. I consider it better because it's preconfigured for privacy, includes UBlock Origin by default, and rips Mozilla's telemetry out. So you never have to worry about them sneaking something new in a later update. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago (18 children) I'm more worried about the updates not happening in a timely fashion. Is it just a passion project by a handful of devs, or is there some kind of funding? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (15 children) Update frequency/latency hasn't been an issue in the 2 years I've been using it. https://librewolf.net/#what-is-librewolf permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (14 children) Sure, but what about in 2 years from now? I used IronFox for a couple years and it suddenly stopped getting updates, and it took me a few months to realize and switch to something else. I don't want that to happen again. I like the idea of librewolf, especially that it's just a patch set on top of Firefox, but someone needs to maintain that patch set. This would be fine for simpler software, but browsers are complex and I just worry that updates will stall out with little warning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) Certainly a valid concern, but it's true with any software. I think enough people (techies especially) are using LibreWolf that a lack of updates would be visible quickly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago Perhaps. But a browser is something I'd prefer to just forget about and not track updates. So it's very likely that I won't check if it has gotten updates for a few months. permalink fedilink source parent [–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (1 child) I've been using IronFox since it came out and I don't think it has been out for 2 years yet... are you thinking of Mull from which it was forked when DivestOS stop being maintained? Also, I've been using Librewolf since its early days too, and their updates are always only 1 to 2 days behind an updated Firefox. I know cuz ai update daily on my Artix Linux machine and have both browsers. Whenever Firefox is updated its usually the same day or a day later that Librewolf is also updated to the same version number. I get the concern, but honestly the Librewolf devs have proven themselves at keeping pace with the upstream for quite a few years now. Hopefully the Ironfox devs can do the same. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* Yes, mull. My bad. IronFox is the replacement that I'm using now. And that's part of my point. Once my browser is installed, I don't really care about it, so I'm unlikely to notice it not receiving updates unless someone calls it out on SM or something. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (8 children) Two years is enough time for Firefox itself to cease to exist. Cross that bridge when you burn it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (7 children) Maybe? It's a lot less likely for FF to disappear than LibreWolf. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) Agreed. But it's still too far of a timeframe to be worried about imo permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) Yeah, perhaps I'll try it out. I've made most of the changes they did in my config though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) Do you use Firefox sync already? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) Yup. Switching won't be a big deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) [–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago as I understand their build system is automatic. updates are not, but they have an update checker companion thing, and flathub too can manage that if you install from there permalink fedilink source parent [–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I’m not a contributor to LibreWolf so I can’t speak with authority on it but I can’t imagine that they are so different from Firefox that they wouldn’t be able to just merge 99% of updates from FF with minimal effort. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* From looking at the repo, it looks like it's simply a set of patches that get applied to the Firefox source code. They don't maintain a fork, just a set of changes that get applied before building. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago Librewolf doesn’t just block Mozilla telemetry, it also has an easy to understand default for cookies and privacy settings so someone who isn’t a computer expert can rely on the librewolf’s defaults to keep trackers from being able to build a profile on you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago There's benefits to us not tweaking privacy settings. TOR explicitly discourages it. You don't (always) get fingerprinted by a single unique item, it's through an ensemble of data points that companies can identify who you are. There may be 10% of users with your same font library, and 1% who has the same monitor width, and 5% with the same time zone, and voila, when you multiply those percentages, you get close to one in a couple billion, and they've successfully fingerprinted you. If everyone tweaks their settings from default Firefox, you reveal more information about yourself each time. You may think you're protecting yourself, but the reality is the opposite, you're creating a one of a kind browser config. This is where Librewolf can really reign supreme, if we all just use stock Librewolf, no one will be unique, and everyone will be anonymous. permalink fedilink source parent [+] favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) Sadly i have to stop using it. Librewolf has start getting some graphic bug, i also can't upload pictures to some website (it show just lines). Now i'm trying Floorp. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 child) This is caused by not allowing the website to access your html canvas data. You can fix this in the address bar by clicking the icon on the left of the URL to grant permissions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago To add to this. This isn't a bug, it's a feature. Canvas data gives a lot of datapoints that websites can use to fingerprint your browser. This allows them to track you across multiple sites even if you're blocking ads and pi-holing tracking services. There is an unavoidable tradeoff between convenience and security/privacy. Privacy features are inherently less convenient than allowing everyone access to everything. You could disable canvas blocking globally (I'm assuming, I haven't looked) and the problem would go away, but you've then weakened the privacy protections that were built in to the browser. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sefra1@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago As much as I like Librewolf as concept and ideology, I can't keep thinking that if there's a Firefox 0day, Firefox gets patched first, Librewolf later, and I'm potentially exposed for longer. That's why I prefer to stick with upstream. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tarknassus@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (17 children) Have you noticed uBlock Origin being a bit hit and miss on YouTube lately? I’ve had it happen a few times lately where the video won’t play, or an ad comes up but doesn’t play. I’ve had to keep refreshing until it gets to normal where it just plays the damn video. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] n3cr0@lemmy.world 68 points 1 year ago (3 children) No. It works across all my systems. I never see ads on YT. However... Videos not loading or playing delayed: That's a YT feature which they implemented for Firefox users, to annoy them. And to promote Chrome as "the fastest" webbrowser. I also have dns issues at home... I should fix them already. Sometimes, a page doesn't load on the first try. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 20 points 1 year ago You can try user agent switcher. Sometimes it is detected or causes issues, but if YouTube thinks you are running Chrome then you may get better service. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zewm@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) I experience the same issue. All the elements on the page load extremely slow or sometimes not at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CyberSeeker@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 year ago* I noted an experimental rule in uBO to address delays, but have not tried it yet myself. Under settings, Filter lists, Built-in, uBlock filters - Experimental Code has a comment: ! fake buffering on the initial load permalink fedilink source parent [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 1 year ago (5 children) I think youtube might have implemented something that prevents the server from delivering the video files until the expected duration of the ad has passed. This idea is completely unfounded, but this is what it feels like to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) Maybe it is a regional thing? I was watching YouTube 30 mins ago with no issues and haven't ever had any unless I open a new tab but don't try to watch until the next day. Then I just need to refresh and it is off to the races. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] elvith@feddit.org 2 points 1 year ago Work PC and I have to use edge there with Ghostery (ugh). Was trying to find a decent coding tutorial. Every page load of a video was a playback error that instantly vanished when I hit reload. No problems on FF with uBO today, though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 year ago a b testing or he needs to update his unlock permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago* (1 child) I sometimes get a popup warning from YouTube that my account will be blocked from viewing videos if I keep running an ad blocker. But the warning goes away after a while and YouTube still works. I don't see ads except on mobile. Oddly, they also keep begging me to "return" to YouTube Premium, though I have never paid for YouTube Premium. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago Oddly, they also keep begging me to “return” to YouTube Premium, though I have never paid for YouTube Premium. This is just 'normal' commercial psychological manipulation. Returning sounds better than starting, so a small percentage of people would sign up that wouldn't have otherwise if it was worded accurately. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grimy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) If on mobile, try setting it to desktop mode. Also, getting the chameleon extension and pretending you are using chrome can also help. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] kwarg@mander.xyz 1 point 1 year ago I am not an expert so don't quote me here, but I think there are ways of bypassing the agent switcher/spoofer (like chameleon) revealing the true browser you are using... that would actually make you MORE fingerprintable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] protist@mander.xyz 3 points 1 year ago I haven't had any issues like that, it's been working fine for me permalink fedilink source parent [–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago I use different shared PCs at work and this happens every time on the Windows 11 machines. Some ad plays before the video, but disappears when I refresh the page. This doesn't happen on the Win 10 machines we still have left. In forced to use Chrome there but everything has UBlock Lite enabled. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gnugit@aussie.zone 1 point 1 year ago Yes permalink fedilink source parent [–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago The article even links to a guide to get it on chrome That said though, there is one ad blocker that still works. Two words: uBlock Origin. Yes, I know that Google has blocked it from its Chrome Extension store, but there is still a way to get uBlock Origin on Chrome that our how-to extraordinaire Kaycee has detailed. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kepix@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago dont give them solutions, they want to be angry permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fartsparkles@lemmy.world 257 points 1 year ago Especially since Adblock Plus take payment to whitelist adverts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (31 children) Or even better, Librewolf. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 31 child comments replies: [–] RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (26 children) Honest question, but what makes librewolf BETTER? In firefox you can easily toggle off the studies telemetry bullshit in the settings. Librewolf is just firefox with those things ripped out right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 26 child comments replies: [–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago (1 child) In firefox you can easily toggle off the studies telemetry bullshit in the settings. They're abusing the default and making privacy settings require user intervention rather than defaulting to the most private settings and allowing the option of opting in. It's abusing consent, so people move to browsers where privacy is the default option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FalseTautology@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Blocking abp was the last straw for me, thank you for suggesting librewolf permalink fedilink source parent [–] chunes@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago This is what makes Librewolf better. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (19 children) Yes. I consider it better because it's preconfigured for privacy, includes UBlock Origin by default, and rips Mozilla's telemetry out. So you never have to worry about them sneaking something new in a later update. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago (18 children) I'm more worried about the updates not happening in a timely fashion. Is it just a passion project by a handful of devs, or is there some kind of funding? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (15 children) Update frequency/latency hasn't been an issue in the 2 years I've been using it. https://librewolf.net/#what-is-librewolf permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (14 children) Sure, but what about in 2 years from now? I used IronFox for a couple years and it suddenly stopped getting updates, and it took me a few months to realize and switch to something else. I don't want that to happen again. I like the idea of librewolf, especially that it's just a patch set on top of Firefox, but someone needs to maintain that patch set. This would be fine for simpler software, but browsers are complex and I just worry that updates will stall out with little warning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) Certainly a valid concern, but it's true with any software. I think enough people (techies especially) are using LibreWolf that a lack of updates would be visible quickly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago Perhaps. But a browser is something I'd prefer to just forget about and not track updates. So it's very likely that I won't check if it has gotten updates for a few months. permalink fedilink source parent [–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (1 child) I've been using IronFox since it came out and I don't think it has been out for 2 years yet... are you thinking of Mull from which it was forked when DivestOS stop being maintained? Also, I've been using Librewolf since its early days too, and their updates are always only 1 to 2 days behind an updated Firefox. I know cuz ai update daily on my Artix Linux machine and have both browsers. Whenever Firefox is updated its usually the same day or a day later that Librewolf is also updated to the same version number. I get the concern, but honestly the Librewolf devs have proven themselves at keeping pace with the upstream for quite a few years now. Hopefully the Ironfox devs can do the same. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* Yes, mull. My bad. IronFox is the replacement that I'm using now. And that's part of my point. Once my browser is installed, I don't really care about it, so I'm unlikely to notice it not receiving updates unless someone calls it out on SM or something. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (8 children) Two years is enough time for Firefox itself to cease to exist. Cross that bridge when you burn it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (7 children) Maybe? It's a lot less likely for FF to disappear than LibreWolf. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) Agreed. But it's still too far of a timeframe to be worried about imo permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) Yeah, perhaps I'll try it out. I've made most of the changes they did in my config though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) Do you use Firefox sync already? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) Yup. Switching won't be a big deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) [–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago as I understand their build system is automatic. updates are not, but they have an update checker companion thing, and flathub too can manage that if you install from there permalink fedilink source parent [–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I’m not a contributor to LibreWolf so I can’t speak with authority on it but I can’t imagine that they are so different from Firefox that they wouldn’t be able to just merge 99% of updates from FF with minimal effort. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* From looking at the repo, it looks like it's simply a set of patches that get applied to the Firefox source code. They don't maintain a fork, just a set of changes that get applied before building. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago Librewolf doesn’t just block Mozilla telemetry, it also has an easy to understand default for cookies and privacy settings so someone who isn’t a computer expert can rely on the librewolf’s defaults to keep trackers from being able to build a profile on you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago There's benefits to us not tweaking privacy settings. TOR explicitly discourages it. You don't (always) get fingerprinted by a single unique item, it's through an ensemble of data points that companies can identify who you are. There may be 10% of users with your same font library, and 1% who has the same monitor width, and 5% with the same time zone, and voila, when you multiply those percentages, you get close to one in a couple billion, and they've successfully fingerprinted you. If everyone tweaks their settings from default Firefox, you reveal more information about yourself each time. You may think you're protecting yourself, but the reality is the opposite, you're creating a one of a kind browser config. This is where Librewolf can really reign supreme, if we all just use stock Librewolf, no one will be unique, and everyone will be anonymous. permalink fedilink source parent [+] favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) Sadly i have to stop using it. Librewolf has start getting some graphic bug, i also can't upload pictures to some website (it show just lines). Now i'm trying Floorp. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 child) This is caused by not allowing the website to access your html canvas data. You can fix this in the address bar by clicking the icon on the left of the URL to grant permissions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago To add to this. This isn't a bug, it's a feature. Canvas data gives a lot of datapoints that websites can use to fingerprint your browser. This allows them to track you across multiple sites even if you're blocking ads and pi-holing tracking services. There is an unavoidable tradeoff between convenience and security/privacy. Privacy features are inherently less convenient than allowing everyone access to everything. You could disable canvas blocking globally (I'm assuming, I haven't looked) and the problem would go away, but you've then weakened the privacy protections that were built in to the browser. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sefra1@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago As much as I like Librewolf as concept and ideology, I can't keep thinking that if there's a Firefox 0day, Firefox gets patched first, Librewolf later, and I'm potentially exposed for longer. That's why I prefer to stick with upstream. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (26 children) Honest question, but what makes librewolf BETTER? In firefox you can easily toggle off the studies telemetry bullshit in the settings. Librewolf is just firefox with those things ripped out right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 26 child comments replies: [–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago (1 child) In firefox you can easily toggle off the studies telemetry bullshit in the settings. They're abusing the default and making privacy settings require user intervention rather than defaulting to the most private settings and allowing the option of opting in. It's abusing consent, so people move to browsers where privacy is the default option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FalseTautology@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Blocking abp was the last straw for me, thank you for suggesting librewolf permalink fedilink source parent [–] chunes@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago This is what makes Librewolf better. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (19 children) Yes. I consider it better because it's preconfigured for privacy, includes UBlock Origin by default, and rips Mozilla's telemetry out. So you never have to worry about them sneaking something new in a later update. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago (18 children) I'm more worried about the updates not happening in a timely fashion. Is it just a passion project by a handful of devs, or is there some kind of funding? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (15 children) Update frequency/latency hasn't been an issue in the 2 years I've been using it. https://librewolf.net/#what-is-librewolf permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (14 children) Sure, but what about in 2 years from now? I used IronFox for a couple years and it suddenly stopped getting updates, and it took me a few months to realize and switch to something else. I don't want that to happen again. I like the idea of librewolf, especially that it's just a patch set on top of Firefox, but someone needs to maintain that patch set. This would be fine for simpler software, but browsers are complex and I just worry that updates will stall out with little warning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) Certainly a valid concern, but it's true with any software. I think enough people (techies especially) are using LibreWolf that a lack of updates would be visible quickly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago Perhaps. But a browser is something I'd prefer to just forget about and not track updates. So it's very likely that I won't check if it has gotten updates for a few months. permalink fedilink source parent [–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (1 child) I've been using IronFox since it came out and I don't think it has been out for 2 years yet... are you thinking of Mull from which it was forked when DivestOS stop being maintained? Also, I've been using Librewolf since its early days too, and their updates are always only 1 to 2 days behind an updated Firefox. I know cuz ai update daily on my Artix Linux machine and have both browsers. Whenever Firefox is updated its usually the same day or a day later that Librewolf is also updated to the same version number. I get the concern, but honestly the Librewolf devs have proven themselves at keeping pace with the upstream for quite a few years now. Hopefully the Ironfox devs can do the same. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* Yes, mull. My bad. IronFox is the replacement that I'm using now. And that's part of my point. Once my browser is installed, I don't really care about it, so I'm unlikely to notice it not receiving updates unless someone calls it out on SM or something. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (8 children) Two years is enough time for Firefox itself to cease to exist. Cross that bridge when you burn it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (7 children) Maybe? It's a lot less likely for FF to disappear than LibreWolf. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) Agreed. But it's still too far of a timeframe to be worried about imo permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) Yeah, perhaps I'll try it out. I've made most of the changes they did in my config though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) Do you use Firefox sync already? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) Yup. Switching won't be a big deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) [–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago as I understand their build system is automatic. updates are not, but they have an update checker companion thing, and flathub too can manage that if you install from there permalink fedilink source parent [–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I’m not a contributor to LibreWolf so I can’t speak with authority on it but I can’t imagine that they are so different from Firefox that they wouldn’t be able to just merge 99% of updates from FF with minimal effort. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* From looking at the repo, it looks like it's simply a set of patches that get applied to the Firefox source code. They don't maintain a fork, just a set of changes that get applied before building. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago Librewolf doesn’t just block Mozilla telemetry, it also has an easy to understand default for cookies and privacy settings so someone who isn’t a computer expert can rely on the librewolf’s defaults to keep trackers from being able to build a profile on you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago There's benefits to us not tweaking privacy settings. TOR explicitly discourages it. You don't (always) get fingerprinted by a single unique item, it's through an ensemble of data points that companies can identify who you are. There may be 10% of users with your same font library, and 1% who has the same monitor width, and 5% with the same time zone, and voila, when you multiply those percentages, you get close to one in a couple billion, and they've successfully fingerprinted you. If everyone tweaks their settings from default Firefox, you reveal more information about yourself each time. You may think you're protecting yourself, but the reality is the opposite, you're creating a one of a kind browser config. This is where Librewolf can really reign supreme, if we all just use stock Librewolf, no one will be unique, and everyone will be anonymous. permalink fedilink source parent [+] favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago (1 child) In firefox you can easily toggle off the studies telemetry bullshit in the settings. They're abusing the default and making privacy settings require user intervention rather than defaulting to the most private settings and allowing the option of opting in. It's abusing consent, so people move to browsers where privacy is the default option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FalseTautology@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Blocking abp was the last straw for me, thank you for suggesting librewolf permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FalseTautology@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Blocking abp was the last straw for me, thank you for suggesting librewolf permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chunes@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago This is what makes Librewolf better. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (19 children) Yes. I consider it better because it's preconfigured for privacy, includes UBlock Origin by default, and rips Mozilla's telemetry out. So you never have to worry about them sneaking something new in a later update. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago (18 children) I'm more worried about the updates not happening in a timely fashion. Is it just a passion project by a handful of devs, or is there some kind of funding? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (15 children) Update frequency/latency hasn't been an issue in the 2 years I've been using it. https://librewolf.net/#what-is-librewolf permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (14 children) Sure, but what about in 2 years from now? I used IronFox for a couple years and it suddenly stopped getting updates, and it took me a few months to realize and switch to something else. I don't want that to happen again. I like the idea of librewolf, especially that it's just a patch set on top of Firefox, but someone needs to maintain that patch set. This would be fine for simpler software, but browsers are complex and I just worry that updates will stall out with little warning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) Certainly a valid concern, but it's true with any software. I think enough people (techies especially) are using LibreWolf that a lack of updates would be visible quickly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago Perhaps. But a browser is something I'd prefer to just forget about and not track updates. So it's very likely that I won't check if it has gotten updates for a few months. permalink fedilink source parent [–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (1 child) I've been using IronFox since it came out and I don't think it has been out for 2 years yet... are you thinking of Mull from which it was forked when DivestOS stop being maintained? Also, I've been using Librewolf since its early days too, and their updates are always only 1 to 2 days behind an updated Firefox. I know cuz ai update daily on my Artix Linux machine and have both browsers. Whenever Firefox is updated its usually the same day or a day later that Librewolf is also updated to the same version number. I get the concern, but honestly the Librewolf devs have proven themselves at keeping pace with the upstream for quite a few years now. Hopefully the Ironfox devs can do the same. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* Yes, mull. My bad. IronFox is the replacement that I'm using now. And that's part of my point. Once my browser is installed, I don't really care about it, so I'm unlikely to notice it not receiving updates unless someone calls it out on SM or something. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (8 children) Two years is enough time for Firefox itself to cease to exist. Cross that bridge when you burn it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (7 children) Maybe? It's a lot less likely for FF to disappear than LibreWolf. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) Agreed. But it's still too far of a timeframe to be worried about imo permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) Yeah, perhaps I'll try it out. I've made most of the changes they did in my config though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) Do you use Firefox sync already? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) Yup. Switching won't be a big deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) [–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago as I understand their build system is automatic. updates are not, but they have an update checker companion thing, and flathub too can manage that if you install from there permalink fedilink source parent [–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I’m not a contributor to LibreWolf so I can’t speak with authority on it but I can’t imagine that they are so different from Firefox that they wouldn’t be able to just merge 99% of updates from FF with minimal effort. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* From looking at the repo, it looks like it's simply a set of patches that get applied to the Firefox source code. They don't maintain a fork, just a set of changes that get applied before building. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago (18 children) I'm more worried about the updates not happening in a timely fashion. Is it just a passion project by a handful of devs, or is there some kind of funding? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (15 children) Update frequency/latency hasn't been an issue in the 2 years I've been using it. https://librewolf.net/#what-is-librewolf permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (14 children) Sure, but what about in 2 years from now? I used IronFox for a couple years and it suddenly stopped getting updates, and it took me a few months to realize and switch to something else. I don't want that to happen again. I like the idea of librewolf, especially that it's just a patch set on top of Firefox, but someone needs to maintain that patch set. This would be fine for simpler software, but browsers are complex and I just worry that updates will stall out with little warning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) Certainly a valid concern, but it's true with any software. I think enough people (techies especially) are using LibreWolf that a lack of updates would be visible quickly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago Perhaps. But a browser is something I'd prefer to just forget about and not track updates. So it's very likely that I won't check if it has gotten updates for a few months. permalink fedilink source parent [–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (1 child) I've been using IronFox since it came out and I don't think it has been out for 2 years yet... are you thinking of Mull from which it was forked when DivestOS stop being maintained? Also, I've been using Librewolf since its early days too, and their updates are always only 1 to 2 days behind an updated Firefox. I know cuz ai update daily on my Artix Linux machine and have both browsers. Whenever Firefox is updated its usually the same day or a day later that Librewolf is also updated to the same version number. I get the concern, but honestly the Librewolf devs have proven themselves at keeping pace with the upstream for quite a few years now. Hopefully the Ironfox devs can do the same. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* Yes, mull. My bad. IronFox is the replacement that I'm using now. And that's part of my point. Once my browser is installed, I don't really care about it, so I'm unlikely to notice it not receiving updates unless someone calls it out on SM or something. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (8 children) Two years is enough time for Firefox itself to cease to exist. Cross that bridge when you burn it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (7 children) Maybe? It's a lot less likely for FF to disappear than LibreWolf. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) Agreed. But it's still too far of a timeframe to be worried about imo permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) Yeah, perhaps I'll try it out. I've made most of the changes they did in my config though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) Do you use Firefox sync already? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) Yup. Switching won't be a big deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) [–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago as I understand their build system is automatic. updates are not, but they have an update checker companion thing, and flathub too can manage that if you install from there permalink fedilink source parent [–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I’m not a contributor to LibreWolf so I can’t speak with authority on it but I can’t imagine that they are so different from Firefox that they wouldn’t be able to just merge 99% of updates from FF with minimal effort. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* From looking at the repo, it looks like it's simply a set of patches that get applied to the Firefox source code. They don't maintain a fork, just a set of changes that get applied before building. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (15 children) Update frequency/latency hasn't been an issue in the 2 years I've been using it. https://librewolf.net/#what-is-librewolf permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (14 children) Sure, but what about in 2 years from now? I used IronFox for a couple years and it suddenly stopped getting updates, and it took me a few months to realize and switch to something else. I don't want that to happen again. I like the idea of librewolf, especially that it's just a patch set on top of Firefox, but someone needs to maintain that patch set. This would be fine for simpler software, but browsers are complex and I just worry that updates will stall out with little warning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) Certainly a valid concern, but it's true with any software. I think enough people (techies especially) are using LibreWolf that a lack of updates would be visible quickly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago Perhaps. But a browser is something I'd prefer to just forget about and not track updates. So it's very likely that I won't check if it has gotten updates for a few months. permalink fedilink source parent [–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (1 child) I've been using IronFox since it came out and I don't think it has been out for 2 years yet... are you thinking of Mull from which it was forked when DivestOS stop being maintained? Also, I've been using Librewolf since its early days too, and their updates are always only 1 to 2 days behind an updated Firefox. I know cuz ai update daily on my Artix Linux machine and have both browsers. Whenever Firefox is updated its usually the same day or a day later that Librewolf is also updated to the same version number. I get the concern, but honestly the Librewolf devs have proven themselves at keeping pace with the upstream for quite a few years now. Hopefully the Ironfox devs can do the same. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* Yes, mull. My bad. IronFox is the replacement that I'm using now. And that's part of my point. Once my browser is installed, I don't really care about it, so I'm unlikely to notice it not receiving updates unless someone calls it out on SM or something. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (8 children) Two years is enough time for Firefox itself to cease to exist. Cross that bridge when you burn it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (7 children) Maybe? It's a lot less likely for FF to disappear than LibreWolf. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) Agreed. But it's still too far of a timeframe to be worried about imo permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) Yeah, perhaps I'll try it out. I've made most of the changes they did in my config though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) Do you use Firefox sync already? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) Yup. Switching won't be a big deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) [–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago as I understand their build system is automatic. updates are not, but they have an update checker companion thing, and flathub too can manage that if you install from there permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (14 children) Sure, but what about in 2 years from now? I used IronFox for a couple years and it suddenly stopped getting updates, and it took me a few months to realize and switch to something else. I don't want that to happen again. I like the idea of librewolf, especially that it's just a patch set on top of Firefox, but someone needs to maintain that patch set. This would be fine for simpler software, but browsers are complex and I just worry that updates will stall out with little warning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) Certainly a valid concern, but it's true with any software. I think enough people (techies especially) are using LibreWolf that a lack of updates would be visible quickly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago Perhaps. But a browser is something I'd prefer to just forget about and not track updates. So it's very likely that I won't check if it has gotten updates for a few months. permalink fedilink source parent [–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (1 child) I've been using IronFox since it came out and I don't think it has been out for 2 years yet... are you thinking of Mull from which it was forked when DivestOS stop being maintained? Also, I've been using Librewolf since its early days too, and their updates are always only 1 to 2 days behind an updated Firefox. I know cuz ai update daily on my Artix Linux machine and have both browsers. Whenever Firefox is updated its usually the same day or a day later that Librewolf is also updated to the same version number. I get the concern, but honestly the Librewolf devs have proven themselves at keeping pace with the upstream for quite a few years now. Hopefully the Ironfox devs can do the same. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* Yes, mull. My bad. IronFox is the replacement that I'm using now. And that's part of my point. Once my browser is installed, I don't really care about it, so I'm unlikely to notice it not receiving updates unless someone calls it out on SM or something. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (8 children) Two years is enough time for Firefox itself to cease to exist. Cross that bridge when you burn it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (7 children) Maybe? It's a lot less likely for FF to disappear than LibreWolf. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) Agreed. But it's still too far of a timeframe to be worried about imo permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) Yeah, perhaps I'll try it out. I've made most of the changes they did in my config though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) Do you use Firefox sync already? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) Yup. Switching won't be a big deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) [–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago as I understand their build system is automatic. updates are not, but they have an update checker companion thing, and flathub too can manage that if you install from there permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) Certainly a valid concern, but it's true with any software. I think enough people (techies especially) are using LibreWolf that a lack of updates would be visible quickly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago Perhaps. But a browser is something I'd prefer to just forget about and not track updates. So it's very likely that I won't check if it has gotten updates for a few months. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago Perhaps. But a browser is something I'd prefer to just forget about and not track updates. So it's very likely that I won't check if it has gotten updates for a few months. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (1 child) I've been using IronFox since it came out and I don't think it has been out for 2 years yet... are you thinking of Mull from which it was forked when DivestOS stop being maintained? Also, I've been using Librewolf since its early days too, and their updates are always only 1 to 2 days behind an updated Firefox. I know cuz ai update daily on my Artix Linux machine and have both browsers. Whenever Firefox is updated its usually the same day or a day later that Librewolf is also updated to the same version number. I get the concern, but honestly the Librewolf devs have proven themselves at keeping pace with the upstream for quite a few years now. Hopefully the Ironfox devs can do the same. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* Yes, mull. My bad. IronFox is the replacement that I'm using now. And that's part of my point. Once my browser is installed, I don't really care about it, so I'm unlikely to notice it not receiving updates unless someone calls it out on SM or something. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* Yes, mull. My bad. IronFox is the replacement that I'm using now. And that's part of my point. Once my browser is installed, I don't really care about it, so I'm unlikely to notice it not receiving updates unless someone calls it out on SM or something. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (8 children) Two years is enough time for Firefox itself to cease to exist. Cross that bridge when you burn it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (7 children) Maybe? It's a lot less likely for FF to disappear than LibreWolf. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) Agreed. But it's still too far of a timeframe to be worried about imo permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) Yeah, perhaps I'll try it out. I've made most of the changes they did in my config though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) Do you use Firefox sync already? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) Yup. Switching won't be a big deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies)
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (7 children) Maybe? It's a lot less likely for FF to disappear than LibreWolf. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) Agreed. But it's still too far of a timeframe to be worried about imo permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) Yeah, perhaps I'll try it out. I've made most of the changes they did in my config though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) Do you use Firefox sync already? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) Yup. Switching won't be a big deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies)
[–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) Agreed. But it's still too far of a timeframe to be worried about imo permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) Yeah, perhaps I'll try it out. I've made most of the changes they did in my config though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) Do you use Firefox sync already? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) Yup. Switching won't be a big deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies)
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) Yeah, perhaps I'll try it out. I've made most of the changes they did in my config though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) Do you use Firefox sync already? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) Yup. Switching won't be a big deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies)
[–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) Do you use Firefox sync already? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) Yup. Switching won't be a big deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies)
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) Yup. Switching won't be a big deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies)
[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago as I understand their build system is automatic. updates are not, but they have an update checker companion thing, and flathub too can manage that if you install from there permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I’m not a contributor to LibreWolf so I can’t speak with authority on it but I can’t imagine that they are so different from Firefox that they wouldn’t be able to just merge 99% of updates from FF with minimal effort. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* From looking at the repo, it looks like it's simply a set of patches that get applied to the Firefox source code. They don't maintain a fork, just a set of changes that get applied before building. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* From looking at the repo, it looks like it's simply a set of patches that get applied to the Firefox source code. They don't maintain a fork, just a set of changes that get applied before building. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago Librewolf doesn’t just block Mozilla telemetry, it also has an easy to understand default for cookies and privacy settings so someone who isn’t a computer expert can rely on the librewolf’s defaults to keep trackers from being able to build a profile on you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago There's benefits to us not tweaking privacy settings. TOR explicitly discourages it. You don't (always) get fingerprinted by a single unique item, it's through an ensemble of data points that companies can identify who you are. There may be 10% of users with your same font library, and 1% who has the same monitor width, and 5% with the same time zone, and voila, when you multiply those percentages, you get close to one in a couple billion, and they've successfully fingerprinted you. If everyone tweaks their settings from default Firefox, you reveal more information about yourself each time. You may think you're protecting yourself, but the reality is the opposite, you're creating a one of a kind browser config. This is where Librewolf can really reign supreme, if we all just use stock Librewolf, no one will be unique, and everyone will be anonymous. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) Sadly i have to stop using it. Librewolf has start getting some graphic bug, i also can't upload pictures to some website (it show just lines). Now i'm trying Floorp. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 child) This is caused by not allowing the website to access your html canvas data. You can fix this in the address bar by clicking the icon on the left of the URL to grant permissions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago To add to this. This isn't a bug, it's a feature. Canvas data gives a lot of datapoints that websites can use to fingerprint your browser. This allows them to track you across multiple sites even if you're blocking ads and pi-holing tracking services. There is an unavoidable tradeoff between convenience and security/privacy. Privacy features are inherently less convenient than allowing everyone access to everything. You could disable canvas blocking globally (I'm assuming, I haven't looked) and the problem would go away, but you've then weakened the privacy protections that were built in to the browser. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 child) This is caused by not allowing the website to access your html canvas data. You can fix this in the address bar by clicking the icon on the left of the URL to grant permissions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago To add to this. This isn't a bug, it's a feature. Canvas data gives a lot of datapoints that websites can use to fingerprint your browser. This allows them to track you across multiple sites even if you're blocking ads and pi-holing tracking services. There is an unavoidable tradeoff between convenience and security/privacy. Privacy features are inherently less convenient than allowing everyone access to everything. You could disable canvas blocking globally (I'm assuming, I haven't looked) and the problem would go away, but you've then weakened the privacy protections that were built in to the browser. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago To add to this. This isn't a bug, it's a feature. Canvas data gives a lot of datapoints that websites can use to fingerprint your browser. This allows them to track you across multiple sites even if you're blocking ads and pi-holing tracking services. There is an unavoidable tradeoff between convenience and security/privacy. Privacy features are inherently less convenient than allowing everyone access to everything. You could disable canvas blocking globally (I'm assuming, I haven't looked) and the problem would go away, but you've then weakened the privacy protections that were built in to the browser. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sefra1@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago As much as I like Librewolf as concept and ideology, I can't keep thinking that if there's a Firefox 0day, Firefox gets patched first, Librewolf later, and I'm potentially exposed for longer. That's why I prefer to stick with upstream. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tarknassus@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (17 children) Have you noticed uBlock Origin being a bit hit and miss on YouTube lately? I’ve had it happen a few times lately where the video won’t play, or an ad comes up but doesn’t play. I’ve had to keep refreshing until it gets to normal where it just plays the damn video. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] n3cr0@lemmy.world 68 points 1 year ago (3 children) No. It works across all my systems. I never see ads on YT. However... Videos not loading or playing delayed: That's a YT feature which they implemented for Firefox users, to annoy them. And to promote Chrome as "the fastest" webbrowser. I also have dns issues at home... I should fix them already. Sometimes, a page doesn't load on the first try. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 20 points 1 year ago You can try user agent switcher. Sometimes it is detected or causes issues, but if YouTube thinks you are running Chrome then you may get better service. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zewm@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) I experience the same issue. All the elements on the page load extremely slow or sometimes not at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CyberSeeker@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 year ago* I noted an experimental rule in uBO to address delays, but have not tried it yet myself. Under settings, Filter lists, Built-in, uBlock filters - Experimental Code has a comment: ! fake buffering on the initial load permalink fedilink source parent [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 1 year ago (5 children) I think youtube might have implemented something that prevents the server from delivering the video files until the expected duration of the ad has passed. This idea is completely unfounded, but this is what it feels like to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) Maybe it is a regional thing? I was watching YouTube 30 mins ago with no issues and haven't ever had any unless I open a new tab but don't try to watch until the next day. Then I just need to refresh and it is off to the races. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] elvith@feddit.org 2 points 1 year ago Work PC and I have to use edge there with Ghostery (ugh). Was trying to find a decent coding tutorial. Every page load of a video was a playback error that instantly vanished when I hit reload. No problems on FF with uBO today, though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 year ago a b testing or he needs to update his unlock permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago* (1 child) I sometimes get a popup warning from YouTube that my account will be blocked from viewing videos if I keep running an ad blocker. But the warning goes away after a while and YouTube still works. I don't see ads except on mobile. Oddly, they also keep begging me to "return" to YouTube Premium, though I have never paid for YouTube Premium. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago Oddly, they also keep begging me to “return” to YouTube Premium, though I have never paid for YouTube Premium. This is just 'normal' commercial psychological manipulation. Returning sounds better than starting, so a small percentage of people would sign up that wouldn't have otherwise if it was worded accurately. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grimy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) If on mobile, try setting it to desktop mode. Also, getting the chameleon extension and pretending you are using chrome can also help. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] kwarg@mander.xyz 1 point 1 year ago I am not an expert so don't quote me here, but I think there are ways of bypassing the agent switcher/spoofer (like chameleon) revealing the true browser you are using... that would actually make you MORE fingerprintable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] protist@mander.xyz 3 points 1 year ago I haven't had any issues like that, it's been working fine for me permalink fedilink source parent [–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago I use different shared PCs at work and this happens every time on the Windows 11 machines. Some ad plays before the video, but disappears when I refresh the page. This doesn't happen on the Win 10 machines we still have left. In forced to use Chrome there but everything has UBlock Lite enabled. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gnugit@aussie.zone 1 point 1 year ago Yes permalink fedilink source parent
[–] n3cr0@lemmy.world 68 points 1 year ago (3 children) No. It works across all my systems. I never see ads on YT. However... Videos not loading or playing delayed: That's a YT feature which they implemented for Firefox users, to annoy them. And to promote Chrome as "the fastest" webbrowser. I also have dns issues at home... I should fix them already. Sometimes, a page doesn't load on the first try. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 20 points 1 year ago You can try user agent switcher. Sometimes it is detected or causes issues, but if YouTube thinks you are running Chrome then you may get better service. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zewm@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) I experience the same issue. All the elements on the page load extremely slow or sometimes not at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CyberSeeker@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 year ago* I noted an experimental rule in uBO to address delays, but have not tried it yet myself. Under settings, Filter lists, Built-in, uBlock filters - Experimental Code has a comment: ! fake buffering on the initial load permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 20 points 1 year ago You can try user agent switcher. Sometimes it is detected or causes issues, but if YouTube thinks you are running Chrome then you may get better service. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zewm@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) I experience the same issue. All the elements on the page load extremely slow or sometimes not at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CyberSeeker@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 year ago* I noted an experimental rule in uBO to address delays, but have not tried it yet myself. Under settings, Filter lists, Built-in, uBlock filters - Experimental Code has a comment: ! fake buffering on the initial load permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CyberSeeker@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 year ago* I noted an experimental rule in uBO to address delays, but have not tried it yet myself. Under settings, Filter lists, Built-in, uBlock filters - Experimental Code has a comment: ! fake buffering on the initial load permalink fedilink source parent
[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 1 year ago (5 children) I think youtube might have implemented something that prevents the server from delivering the video files until the expected duration of the ad has passed. This idea is completely unfounded, but this is what it feels like to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) Maybe it is a regional thing? I was watching YouTube 30 mins ago with no issues and haven't ever had any unless I open a new tab but don't try to watch until the next day. Then I just need to refresh and it is off to the races. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] elvith@feddit.org 2 points 1 year ago Work PC and I have to use edge there with Ghostery (ugh). Was trying to find a decent coding tutorial. Every page load of a video was a playback error that instantly vanished when I hit reload. No problems on FF with uBO today, though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 year ago a b testing or he needs to update his unlock permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) Maybe it is a regional thing? I was watching YouTube 30 mins ago with no issues and haven't ever had any unless I open a new tab but don't try to watch until the next day. Then I just need to refresh and it is off to the races. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] elvith@feddit.org 2 points 1 year ago Work PC and I have to use edge there with Ghostery (ugh). Was trying to find a decent coding tutorial. Every page load of a video was a playback error that instantly vanished when I hit reload. No problems on FF with uBO today, though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 year ago a b testing or he needs to update his unlock permalink fedilink source parent
[–] elvith@feddit.org 2 points 1 year ago Work PC and I have to use edge there with Ghostery (ugh). Was trying to find a decent coding tutorial. Every page load of a video was a playback error that instantly vanished when I hit reload. No problems on FF with uBO today, though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] baines@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 year ago a b testing or he needs to update his unlock permalink fedilink source parent
[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago* (1 child) I sometimes get a popup warning from YouTube that my account will be blocked from viewing videos if I keep running an ad blocker. But the warning goes away after a while and YouTube still works. I don't see ads except on mobile. Oddly, they also keep begging me to "return" to YouTube Premium, though I have never paid for YouTube Premium. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago Oddly, they also keep begging me to “return” to YouTube Premium, though I have never paid for YouTube Premium. This is just 'normal' commercial psychological manipulation. Returning sounds better than starting, so a small percentage of people would sign up that wouldn't have otherwise if it was worded accurately. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago Oddly, they also keep begging me to “return” to YouTube Premium, though I have never paid for YouTube Premium. This is just 'normal' commercial psychological manipulation. Returning sounds better than starting, so a small percentage of people would sign up that wouldn't have otherwise if it was worded accurately. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) If on mobile, try setting it to desktop mode. Also, getting the chameleon extension and pretending you are using chrome can also help. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] kwarg@mander.xyz 1 point 1 year ago I am not an expert so don't quote me here, but I think there are ways of bypassing the agent switcher/spoofer (like chameleon) revealing the true browser you are using... that would actually make you MORE fingerprintable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kwarg@mander.xyz 1 point 1 year ago I am not an expert so don't quote me here, but I think there are ways of bypassing the agent switcher/spoofer (like chameleon) revealing the true browser you are using... that would actually make you MORE fingerprintable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] protist@mander.xyz 3 points 1 year ago I haven't had any issues like that, it's been working fine for me permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago I use different shared PCs at work and this happens every time on the Windows 11 machines. Some ad plays before the video, but disappears when I refresh the page. This doesn't happen on the Win 10 machines we still have left. In forced to use Chrome there but everything has UBlock Lite enabled. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago The article even links to a guide to get it on chrome That said though, there is one ad blocker that still works. Two words: uBlock Origin. Yes, I know that Google has blocked it from its Chrome Extension store, but there is still a way to get uBlock Origin on Chrome that our how-to extraordinaire Kaycee has detailed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kepix@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago dont give them solutions, they want to be angry permalink fedilink source parent