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[+] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 73 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (42 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 42 child comments replies: [–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 74 points 1 year ago (14 children) Man, if only there was a good way to stop school shooting Alas, one can only dream permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] FEIN@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago "no way to stop this" says the only country where this happens permalink fedilink source parent [+] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Zephorah@discuss.online 24 points 1 year ago (11 children) I didn’t realize the schools were using Run, Hide, Fight. That is the same policy for hospital staff in the event of an active shooter. Maddening. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] SARGE@startrek.website 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zephorah@discuss.online 5 points 1 year ago Thank you for widening this perspective. I had no idea, but it fits. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 10 points 1 year ago (7 children) I'm sorry, in hospitals? Where a significant portion of the patients can do none of those things? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Zephorah@discuss.online 13 points 1 year ago (4 children) They’re not residents, you’re thinking of nursing homes. Roughly a third of hospital patients can walk without assistance, but yes. The rationale is staff doesn’t turn themselves into bullet sponges, because then who is left to remove the bullets once the shooter is dead? Either way, what do unarmed, untrained (to fight) people with the body armor equivalent of pajamas do to stop bullets? The patient room doors don’t lock. Sometimes those doors are made of glass. But herding the patients who can walk into the halls is likely an opportunity for an active shooter to hit more targets. As such, everyone hunkers down, and the police take care of it. In theory, per the training modules. Police sometimes run drills with the hospital, depending on locale and interagency dealings. Shutting all the fire doors is likely the only defense. Those nurses can be crafty on the fly, but there are limitations. I can’t imagine a secondary piece of this policy isn’t hospitals avoiding liability regarding workplace injury/death lawsuits. I just hadn’t known until now that in grasping for solutions schools found the standardized hospital policy and are running with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) I guess that the hospital is one of the better places to get shot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Zephorah@discuss.online 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) In theory. Realistically it’s also about what you’re shot with and where. A robust man shot in the gut with a standard .22 that doesn’t ricochet or hit anything immediately vital probably isn’t even going to ICU after the bullet is fished out. 9mm changes the odds on everything. Again though, 1 bullet to the gut may not be an ICU scenario after surgery, depending. An AK/AR though, why are they even legal for civilians? A child, with any bullet, I don’t like to think about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) To the gut? It doesn't matter what the round is. You're going to the ICU. A .22 isn't as non-lethal as the memes like to make it out to be, and your gut is a bunch of very critical soft tissue. If it's to the arm or something, fine. Anywhere in the torso, you're going to the ICU most likely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zephorah@discuss.online 2 points 1 year ago It’s not all or nothing. Each case is individual. Sometimes the bullet is intact and sometimes it’s in pieces. Sometimes trauma repairs minor injuries to the intestine, pulls the bullet, and they go to a post surgical floor like any other GI surgery. Sometimes trauma pops the spleen and the bullet and the patient still goes to med/surg. It depends on what a bullet hits and how, and how it lands is ruled by chaos and statistics. Sometimes it doesn’t puncture an artery but lodges next to it creating a future potential aneurysm that is monitored in ICU for 24h and then they’re off to med/surg, and the potential aneurysm goes on “continue to monitor” mode outpatient. In reality, a person ignoring diverticulitis (then perfing) can sometimes spend more time in ICU than a bullet wound. And sometimes the bullet kills outright. It’s so variable. But that’s adults. Tiny bodies have far worse odds on any hit. I’m not making light. I’m emphasizing how chaotic it is. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Hospital staff. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 3 points 1 year ago I missed that part lol, mb permalink fedilink source parent [–] frongt@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago* Why maddening? The active shooter response shouldn't be all that different. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 6nk06@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 year ago (23 children) the policy is to stop school shootings You should try Europe once. It's more fun than your 3rd world country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [+] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FerretyFever0@fedia.io -1 points 1 year ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (19 children) Knowing that Europe literally has a problem with its soccer audiences making monkey noises at black athletes makes this particular bit of condescension all the more ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] Fiery@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 1 year ago (9 children) Idiots and assholes exist everywhere. At least ours don't have guns. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 1 year ago (8 children) Yeah, they use knives instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (2 children) The knife homicide rate is literally higher in the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) If you think I'm trying to say the US is better.. by any measure LOL! -No. The US is a shithole. My point is that if you take guns out of the equation they'll just be replaced by something else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago My point is that your comment makes it sound like gun control would solve nothing. That patently isn't the case. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago (4 children) This isn’t the flex you think it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) Wasn't intended to be. But evil people will find a way to do evil. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) Yes, but one of those things is capable of a lot more damage in a much shorter amount of time. You’ll also have a hard time knifing people from a window with a wide vantage point. Knives are dangerous, and evil people will be evil. But should we just hand out rocket launchers on the side of the road because knives exist? It’s an absurd suggestion, obviously. So is “knives exist so guns are fine.” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 1 year ago (1 child) You keep putting words in my mouth so this conversation is over. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago Care to explain what you meant then? Because the most I did was paraphrase what I understood to be your stance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 4 points 1 year ago A lot of Europe seems to somehow have worse racism in some areas than the US. Ask a couple English people what they think of travellers and Muslims. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 6nk06@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (4 children) Reddit moment: comparing a few racist idiots with daily murders. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 8 points 1 year ago I think if the matches are having to be stopped, it's probably more than a few. permalink fedilink source parent [–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children) "Daily murder" is a sneaky rhetorical maneuver, considering it's something influenced more by raw population size, than by capita. It's easy for there to be a "daily murder" in a country of 340,000,000 people, even when the overwhelmingly vast majority of people do not murder. Using "few" to trivialize/minimize the racism is no better. Shame on you for this disingenuousness. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ganryuu@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Even when we go per capita the US stays a shithole, it's not like they were trying to actively misinform people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] salty_chief@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago That’s because US population has too much freedom. Gotta keep a boot on peoples neck to maintain control. Look at the 466+ people arrested for protesting https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-police-arrest-more-than-466-protest-banned-palestine-action-group-2025-08-09/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] Albbi@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago Is this better, worse, or the same as throwing dildos at female WNBA athletes? permalink fedilink source parent [–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago The Asiaphobia that still goes on in the UK is absurd... I'll still never get over the British Dub of Takeshi's Castle referring to contestants as "Happy Clappy Jappy Chappies" and "Kamikaze Cousins" A shame, I really wanted to watch that version, it has Craig Charles doing the narrating, but.. sorry Lister, seems you can't help but be a smeghead around the Japanese. permalink fedilink source parent [–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 1 point 1 year ago Agreed on the condescension, that was uncalled for. Your whataboutism sucks though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago What do you mean, “try Europe?” permalink fedilink source parent [–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 11 points 1 year ago The police are not effective at dealing with school shootings. permalink fedilink source parent [–] db2@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago Authorities be like "aww shoot, not again." permalink fedilink source parent [–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* The issue here is that the authorities are letting a piece of half-ass code (Read: AI) decide what is a legitimate threat and, worse still, acting on that determination without question. Yeah, at the very least, the software should be passing on the statement, and context surrounding it, along with its 'judgment', to the authorities, putting all the responsibility for making the call that X genuinely merits action on said authorities. Of course, that's just one piece of the puzzle, and not a solution if law enforcement isn't held accountable when they fuck up. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 74 points 1 year ago (14 children) Man, if only there was a good way to stop school shooting Alas, one can only dream permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] FEIN@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago "no way to stop this" says the only country where this happens permalink fedilink source parent [+] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Zephorah@discuss.online 24 points 1 year ago (11 children) I didn’t realize the schools were using Run, Hide, Fight. That is the same policy for hospital staff in the event of an active shooter. Maddening. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] SARGE@startrek.website 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zephorah@discuss.online 5 points 1 year ago Thank you for widening this perspective. I had no idea, but it fits. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 10 points 1 year ago (7 children) I'm sorry, in hospitals? Where a significant portion of the patients can do none of those things? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Zephorah@discuss.online 13 points 1 year ago (4 children) They’re not residents, you’re thinking of nursing homes. Roughly a third of hospital patients can walk without assistance, but yes. The rationale is staff doesn’t turn themselves into bullet sponges, because then who is left to remove the bullets once the shooter is dead? Either way, what do unarmed, untrained (to fight) people with the body armor equivalent of pajamas do to stop bullets? The patient room doors don’t lock. Sometimes those doors are made of glass. But herding the patients who can walk into the halls is likely an opportunity for an active shooter to hit more targets. As such, everyone hunkers down, and the police take care of it. In theory, per the training modules. Police sometimes run drills with the hospital, depending on locale and interagency dealings. Shutting all the fire doors is likely the only defense. Those nurses can be crafty on the fly, but there are limitations. I can’t imagine a secondary piece of this policy isn’t hospitals avoiding liability regarding workplace injury/death lawsuits. I just hadn’t known until now that in grasping for solutions schools found the standardized hospital policy and are running with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) I guess that the hospital is one of the better places to get shot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Zephorah@discuss.online 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) In theory. Realistically it’s also about what you’re shot with and where. A robust man shot in the gut with a standard .22 that doesn’t ricochet or hit anything immediately vital probably isn’t even going to ICU after the bullet is fished out. 9mm changes the odds on everything. Again though, 1 bullet to the gut may not be an ICU scenario after surgery, depending. An AK/AR though, why are they even legal for civilians? A child, with any bullet, I don’t like to think about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) To the gut? It doesn't matter what the round is. You're going to the ICU. A .22 isn't as non-lethal as the memes like to make it out to be, and your gut is a bunch of very critical soft tissue. If it's to the arm or something, fine. Anywhere in the torso, you're going to the ICU most likely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zephorah@discuss.online 2 points 1 year ago It’s not all or nothing. Each case is individual. Sometimes the bullet is intact and sometimes it’s in pieces. Sometimes trauma repairs minor injuries to the intestine, pulls the bullet, and they go to a post surgical floor like any other GI surgery. Sometimes trauma pops the spleen and the bullet and the patient still goes to med/surg. It depends on what a bullet hits and how, and how it lands is ruled by chaos and statistics. Sometimes it doesn’t puncture an artery but lodges next to it creating a future potential aneurysm that is monitored in ICU for 24h and then they’re off to med/surg, and the potential aneurysm goes on “continue to monitor” mode outpatient. In reality, a person ignoring diverticulitis (then perfing) can sometimes spend more time in ICU than a bullet wound. And sometimes the bullet kills outright. It’s so variable. But that’s adults. Tiny bodies have far worse odds on any hit. I’m not making light. I’m emphasizing how chaotic it is. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Hospital staff. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 3 points 1 year ago I missed that part lol, mb permalink fedilink source parent [–] frongt@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago* Why maddening? The active shooter response shouldn't be all that different. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FEIN@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago "no way to stop this" says the only country where this happens permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Zephorah@discuss.online 24 points 1 year ago (11 children) I didn’t realize the schools were using Run, Hide, Fight. That is the same policy for hospital staff in the event of an active shooter. Maddening. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] SARGE@startrek.website 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zephorah@discuss.online 5 points 1 year ago Thank you for widening this perspective. I had no idea, but it fits. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 10 points 1 year ago (7 children) I'm sorry, in hospitals? Where a significant portion of the patients can do none of those things? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Zephorah@discuss.online 13 points 1 year ago (4 children) They’re not residents, you’re thinking of nursing homes. Roughly a third of hospital patients can walk without assistance, but yes. The rationale is staff doesn’t turn themselves into bullet sponges, because then who is left to remove the bullets once the shooter is dead? Either way, what do unarmed, untrained (to fight) people with the body armor equivalent of pajamas do to stop bullets? The patient room doors don’t lock. Sometimes those doors are made of glass. But herding the patients who can walk into the halls is likely an opportunity for an active shooter to hit more targets. As such, everyone hunkers down, and the police take care of it. In theory, per the training modules. Police sometimes run drills with the hospital, depending on locale and interagency dealings. Shutting all the fire doors is likely the only defense. Those nurses can be crafty on the fly, but there are limitations. I can’t imagine a secondary piece of this policy isn’t hospitals avoiding liability regarding workplace injury/death lawsuits. I just hadn’t known until now that in grasping for solutions schools found the standardized hospital policy and are running with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) I guess that the hospital is one of the better places to get shot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Zephorah@discuss.online 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) In theory. Realistically it’s also about what you’re shot with and where. A robust man shot in the gut with a standard .22 that doesn’t ricochet or hit anything immediately vital probably isn’t even going to ICU after the bullet is fished out. 9mm changes the odds on everything. Again though, 1 bullet to the gut may not be an ICU scenario after surgery, depending. An AK/AR though, why are they even legal for civilians? A child, with any bullet, I don’t like to think about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) To the gut? It doesn't matter what the round is. You're going to the ICU. A .22 isn't as non-lethal as the memes like to make it out to be, and your gut is a bunch of very critical soft tissue. If it's to the arm or something, fine. Anywhere in the torso, you're going to the ICU most likely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zephorah@discuss.online 2 points 1 year ago It’s not all or nothing. Each case is individual. Sometimes the bullet is intact and sometimes it’s in pieces. Sometimes trauma repairs minor injuries to the intestine, pulls the bullet, and they go to a post surgical floor like any other GI surgery. Sometimes trauma pops the spleen and the bullet and the patient still goes to med/surg. It depends on what a bullet hits and how, and how it lands is ruled by chaos and statistics. Sometimes it doesn’t puncture an artery but lodges next to it creating a future potential aneurysm that is monitored in ICU for 24h and then they’re off to med/surg, and the potential aneurysm goes on “continue to monitor” mode outpatient. In reality, a person ignoring diverticulitis (then perfing) can sometimes spend more time in ICU than a bullet wound. And sometimes the bullet kills outright. It’s so variable. But that’s adults. Tiny bodies have far worse odds on any hit. I’m not making light. I’m emphasizing how chaotic it is. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Hospital staff. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 3 points 1 year ago I missed that part lol, mb permalink fedilink source parent [–] frongt@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago* Why maddening? The active shooter response shouldn't be all that different. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 24 points 1 year ago (11 children) I didn’t realize the schools were using Run, Hide, Fight. That is the same policy for hospital staff in the event of an active shooter. Maddening. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] SARGE@startrek.website 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zephorah@discuss.online 5 points 1 year ago Thank you for widening this perspective. I had no idea, but it fits. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 10 points 1 year ago (7 children) I'm sorry, in hospitals? Where a significant portion of the patients can do none of those things? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Zephorah@discuss.online 13 points 1 year ago (4 children) They’re not residents, you’re thinking of nursing homes. Roughly a third of hospital patients can walk without assistance, but yes. The rationale is staff doesn’t turn themselves into bullet sponges, because then who is left to remove the bullets once the shooter is dead? Either way, what do unarmed, untrained (to fight) people with the body armor equivalent of pajamas do to stop bullets? The patient room doors don’t lock. Sometimes those doors are made of glass. But herding the patients who can walk into the halls is likely an opportunity for an active shooter to hit more targets. As such, everyone hunkers down, and the police take care of it. In theory, per the training modules. Police sometimes run drills with the hospital, depending on locale and interagency dealings. Shutting all the fire doors is likely the only defense. Those nurses can be crafty on the fly, but there are limitations. I can’t imagine a secondary piece of this policy isn’t hospitals avoiding liability regarding workplace injury/death lawsuits. I just hadn’t known until now that in grasping for solutions schools found the standardized hospital policy and are running with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) I guess that the hospital is one of the better places to get shot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Zephorah@discuss.online 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) In theory. Realistically it’s also about what you’re shot with and where. A robust man shot in the gut with a standard .22 that doesn’t ricochet or hit anything immediately vital probably isn’t even going to ICU after the bullet is fished out. 9mm changes the odds on everything. Again though, 1 bullet to the gut may not be an ICU scenario after surgery, depending. An AK/AR though, why are they even legal for civilians? A child, with any bullet, I don’t like to think about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) To the gut? It doesn't matter what the round is. You're going to the ICU. A .22 isn't as non-lethal as the memes like to make it out to be, and your gut is a bunch of very critical soft tissue. If it's to the arm or something, fine. Anywhere in the torso, you're going to the ICU most likely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zephorah@discuss.online 2 points 1 year ago It’s not all or nothing. Each case is individual. Sometimes the bullet is intact and sometimes it’s in pieces. Sometimes trauma repairs minor injuries to the intestine, pulls the bullet, and they go to a post surgical floor like any other GI surgery. Sometimes trauma pops the spleen and the bullet and the patient still goes to med/surg. It depends on what a bullet hits and how, and how it lands is ruled by chaos and statistics. Sometimes it doesn’t puncture an artery but lodges next to it creating a future potential aneurysm that is monitored in ICU for 24h and then they’re off to med/surg, and the potential aneurysm goes on “continue to monitor” mode outpatient. In reality, a person ignoring diverticulitis (then perfing) can sometimes spend more time in ICU than a bullet wound. And sometimes the bullet kills outright. It’s so variable. But that’s adults. Tiny bodies have far worse odds on any hit. I’m not making light. I’m emphasizing how chaotic it is. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Hospital staff. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 3 points 1 year ago I missed that part lol, mb permalink fedilink source parent [–] frongt@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago* Why maddening? The active shooter response shouldn't be all that different. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] SARGE@startrek.website 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zephorah@discuss.online 5 points 1 year ago Thank you for widening this perspective. I had no idea, but it fits. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 5 points 1 year ago Thank you for widening this perspective. I had no idea, but it fits. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 10 points 1 year ago (7 children) I'm sorry, in hospitals? Where a significant portion of the patients can do none of those things? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Zephorah@discuss.online 13 points 1 year ago (4 children) They’re not residents, you’re thinking of nursing homes. Roughly a third of hospital patients can walk without assistance, but yes. The rationale is staff doesn’t turn themselves into bullet sponges, because then who is left to remove the bullets once the shooter is dead? Either way, what do unarmed, untrained (to fight) people with the body armor equivalent of pajamas do to stop bullets? The patient room doors don’t lock. Sometimes those doors are made of glass. But herding the patients who can walk into the halls is likely an opportunity for an active shooter to hit more targets. As such, everyone hunkers down, and the police take care of it. In theory, per the training modules. Police sometimes run drills with the hospital, depending on locale and interagency dealings. Shutting all the fire doors is likely the only defense. Those nurses can be crafty on the fly, but there are limitations. I can’t imagine a secondary piece of this policy isn’t hospitals avoiding liability regarding workplace injury/death lawsuits. I just hadn’t known until now that in grasping for solutions schools found the standardized hospital policy and are running with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) I guess that the hospital is one of the better places to get shot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Zephorah@discuss.online 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) In theory. Realistically it’s also about what you’re shot with and where. A robust man shot in the gut with a standard .22 that doesn’t ricochet or hit anything immediately vital probably isn’t even going to ICU after the bullet is fished out. 9mm changes the odds on everything. Again though, 1 bullet to the gut may not be an ICU scenario after surgery, depending. An AK/AR though, why are they even legal for civilians? A child, with any bullet, I don’t like to think about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) To the gut? It doesn't matter what the round is. You're going to the ICU. A .22 isn't as non-lethal as the memes like to make it out to be, and your gut is a bunch of very critical soft tissue. If it's to the arm or something, fine. Anywhere in the torso, you're going to the ICU most likely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zephorah@discuss.online 2 points 1 year ago It’s not all or nothing. Each case is individual. Sometimes the bullet is intact and sometimes it’s in pieces. Sometimes trauma repairs minor injuries to the intestine, pulls the bullet, and they go to a post surgical floor like any other GI surgery. Sometimes trauma pops the spleen and the bullet and the patient still goes to med/surg. It depends on what a bullet hits and how, and how it lands is ruled by chaos and statistics. Sometimes it doesn’t puncture an artery but lodges next to it creating a future potential aneurysm that is monitored in ICU for 24h and then they’re off to med/surg, and the potential aneurysm goes on “continue to monitor” mode outpatient. In reality, a person ignoring diverticulitis (then perfing) can sometimes spend more time in ICU than a bullet wound. And sometimes the bullet kills outright. It’s so variable. But that’s adults. Tiny bodies have far worse odds on any hit. I’m not making light. I’m emphasizing how chaotic it is. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Hospital staff. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 3 points 1 year ago I missed that part lol, mb permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 13 points 1 year ago (4 children) They’re not residents, you’re thinking of nursing homes. Roughly a third of hospital patients can walk without assistance, but yes. The rationale is staff doesn’t turn themselves into bullet sponges, because then who is left to remove the bullets once the shooter is dead? Either way, what do unarmed, untrained (to fight) people with the body armor equivalent of pajamas do to stop bullets? The patient room doors don’t lock. Sometimes those doors are made of glass. But herding the patients who can walk into the halls is likely an opportunity for an active shooter to hit more targets. As such, everyone hunkers down, and the police take care of it. In theory, per the training modules. Police sometimes run drills with the hospital, depending on locale and interagency dealings. Shutting all the fire doors is likely the only defense. Those nurses can be crafty on the fly, but there are limitations. I can’t imagine a secondary piece of this policy isn’t hospitals avoiding liability regarding workplace injury/death lawsuits. I just hadn’t known until now that in grasping for solutions schools found the standardized hospital policy and are running with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) I guess that the hospital is one of the better places to get shot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Zephorah@discuss.online 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) In theory. Realistically it’s also about what you’re shot with and where. A robust man shot in the gut with a standard .22 that doesn’t ricochet or hit anything immediately vital probably isn’t even going to ICU after the bullet is fished out. 9mm changes the odds on everything. Again though, 1 bullet to the gut may not be an ICU scenario after surgery, depending. An AK/AR though, why are they even legal for civilians? A child, with any bullet, I don’t like to think about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) To the gut? It doesn't matter what the round is. You're going to the ICU. A .22 isn't as non-lethal as the memes like to make it out to be, and your gut is a bunch of very critical soft tissue. If it's to the arm or something, fine. Anywhere in the torso, you're going to the ICU most likely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zephorah@discuss.online 2 points 1 year ago It’s not all or nothing. Each case is individual. Sometimes the bullet is intact and sometimes it’s in pieces. Sometimes trauma repairs minor injuries to the intestine, pulls the bullet, and they go to a post surgical floor like any other GI surgery. Sometimes trauma pops the spleen and the bullet and the patient still goes to med/surg. It depends on what a bullet hits and how, and how it lands is ruled by chaos and statistics. Sometimes it doesn’t puncture an artery but lodges next to it creating a future potential aneurysm that is monitored in ICU for 24h and then they’re off to med/surg, and the potential aneurysm goes on “continue to monitor” mode outpatient. In reality, a person ignoring diverticulitis (then perfing) can sometimes spend more time in ICU than a bullet wound. And sometimes the bullet kills outright. It’s so variable. But that’s adults. Tiny bodies have far worse odds on any hit. I’m not making light. I’m emphasizing how chaotic it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) I guess that the hospital is one of the better places to get shot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Zephorah@discuss.online 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) In theory. Realistically it’s also about what you’re shot with and where. A robust man shot in the gut with a standard .22 that doesn’t ricochet or hit anything immediately vital probably isn’t even going to ICU after the bullet is fished out. 9mm changes the odds on everything. Again though, 1 bullet to the gut may not be an ICU scenario after surgery, depending. An AK/AR though, why are they even legal for civilians? A child, with any bullet, I don’t like to think about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) To the gut? It doesn't matter what the round is. You're going to the ICU. A .22 isn't as non-lethal as the memes like to make it out to be, and your gut is a bunch of very critical soft tissue. If it's to the arm or something, fine. Anywhere in the torso, you're going to the ICU most likely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zephorah@discuss.online 2 points 1 year ago It’s not all or nothing. Each case is individual. Sometimes the bullet is intact and sometimes it’s in pieces. Sometimes trauma repairs minor injuries to the intestine, pulls the bullet, and they go to a post surgical floor like any other GI surgery. Sometimes trauma pops the spleen and the bullet and the patient still goes to med/surg. It depends on what a bullet hits and how, and how it lands is ruled by chaos and statistics. Sometimes it doesn’t puncture an artery but lodges next to it creating a future potential aneurysm that is monitored in ICU for 24h and then they’re off to med/surg, and the potential aneurysm goes on “continue to monitor” mode outpatient. In reality, a person ignoring diverticulitis (then perfing) can sometimes spend more time in ICU than a bullet wound. And sometimes the bullet kills outright. It’s so variable. But that’s adults. Tiny bodies have far worse odds on any hit. I’m not making light. I’m emphasizing how chaotic it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) In theory. Realistically it’s also about what you’re shot with and where. A robust man shot in the gut with a standard .22 that doesn’t ricochet or hit anything immediately vital probably isn’t even going to ICU after the bullet is fished out. 9mm changes the odds on everything. Again though, 1 bullet to the gut may not be an ICU scenario after surgery, depending. An AK/AR though, why are they even legal for civilians? A child, with any bullet, I don’t like to think about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) To the gut? It doesn't matter what the round is. You're going to the ICU. A .22 isn't as non-lethal as the memes like to make it out to be, and your gut is a bunch of very critical soft tissue. If it's to the arm or something, fine. Anywhere in the torso, you're going to the ICU most likely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zephorah@discuss.online 2 points 1 year ago It’s not all or nothing. Each case is individual. Sometimes the bullet is intact and sometimes it’s in pieces. Sometimes trauma repairs minor injuries to the intestine, pulls the bullet, and they go to a post surgical floor like any other GI surgery. Sometimes trauma pops the spleen and the bullet and the patient still goes to med/surg. It depends on what a bullet hits and how, and how it lands is ruled by chaos and statistics. Sometimes it doesn’t puncture an artery but lodges next to it creating a future potential aneurysm that is monitored in ICU for 24h and then they’re off to med/surg, and the potential aneurysm goes on “continue to monitor” mode outpatient. In reality, a person ignoring diverticulitis (then perfing) can sometimes spend more time in ICU than a bullet wound. And sometimes the bullet kills outright. It’s so variable. But that’s adults. Tiny bodies have far worse odds on any hit. I’m not making light. I’m emphasizing how chaotic it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) To the gut? It doesn't matter what the round is. You're going to the ICU. A .22 isn't as non-lethal as the memes like to make it out to be, and your gut is a bunch of very critical soft tissue. If it's to the arm or something, fine. Anywhere in the torso, you're going to the ICU most likely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zephorah@discuss.online 2 points 1 year ago It’s not all or nothing. Each case is individual. Sometimes the bullet is intact and sometimes it’s in pieces. Sometimes trauma repairs minor injuries to the intestine, pulls the bullet, and they go to a post surgical floor like any other GI surgery. Sometimes trauma pops the spleen and the bullet and the patient still goes to med/surg. It depends on what a bullet hits and how, and how it lands is ruled by chaos and statistics. Sometimes it doesn’t puncture an artery but lodges next to it creating a future potential aneurysm that is monitored in ICU for 24h and then they’re off to med/surg, and the potential aneurysm goes on “continue to monitor” mode outpatient. In reality, a person ignoring diverticulitis (then perfing) can sometimes spend more time in ICU than a bullet wound. And sometimes the bullet kills outright. It’s so variable. But that’s adults. Tiny bodies have far worse odds on any hit. I’m not making light. I’m emphasizing how chaotic it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 2 points 1 year ago It’s not all or nothing. Each case is individual. Sometimes the bullet is intact and sometimes it’s in pieces. Sometimes trauma repairs minor injuries to the intestine, pulls the bullet, and they go to a post surgical floor like any other GI surgery. Sometimes trauma pops the spleen and the bullet and the patient still goes to med/surg. It depends on what a bullet hits and how, and how it lands is ruled by chaos and statistics. Sometimes it doesn’t puncture an artery but lodges next to it creating a future potential aneurysm that is monitored in ICU for 24h and then they’re off to med/surg, and the potential aneurysm goes on “continue to monitor” mode outpatient. In reality, a person ignoring diverticulitis (then perfing) can sometimes spend more time in ICU than a bullet wound. And sometimes the bullet kills outright. It’s so variable. But that’s adults. Tiny bodies have far worse odds on any hit. I’m not making light. I’m emphasizing how chaotic it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Hospital staff. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 3 points 1 year ago I missed that part lol, mb permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 3 points 1 year ago I missed that part lol, mb permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago* Why maddening? The active shooter response shouldn't be all that different. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 6nk06@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 year ago (23 children) the policy is to stop school shootings You should try Europe once. It's more fun than your 3rd world country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [+] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FerretyFever0@fedia.io -1 points 1 year ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (19 children) Knowing that Europe literally has a problem with its soccer audiences making monkey noises at black athletes makes this particular bit of condescension all the more ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] Fiery@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 1 year ago (9 children) Idiots and assholes exist everywhere. At least ours don't have guns. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 1 year ago (8 children) Yeah, they use knives instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (2 children) The knife homicide rate is literally higher in the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) If you think I'm trying to say the US is better.. by any measure LOL! -No. The US is a shithole. My point is that if you take guns out of the equation they'll just be replaced by something else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago My point is that your comment makes it sound like gun control would solve nothing. That patently isn't the case. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago (4 children) This isn’t the flex you think it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) Wasn't intended to be. But evil people will find a way to do evil. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) Yes, but one of those things is capable of a lot more damage in a much shorter amount of time. You’ll also have a hard time knifing people from a window with a wide vantage point. Knives are dangerous, and evil people will be evil. But should we just hand out rocket launchers on the side of the road because knives exist? It’s an absurd suggestion, obviously. So is “knives exist so guns are fine.” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 1 year ago (1 child) You keep putting words in my mouth so this conversation is over. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago Care to explain what you meant then? Because the most I did was paraphrase what I understood to be your stance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 4 points 1 year ago A lot of Europe seems to somehow have worse racism in some areas than the US. Ask a couple English people what they think of travellers and Muslims. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 6nk06@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (4 children) Reddit moment: comparing a few racist idiots with daily murders. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 8 points 1 year ago I think if the matches are having to be stopped, it's probably more than a few. permalink fedilink source parent [–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children) "Daily murder" is a sneaky rhetorical maneuver, considering it's something influenced more by raw population size, than by capita. It's easy for there to be a "daily murder" in a country of 340,000,000 people, even when the overwhelmingly vast majority of people do not murder. Using "few" to trivialize/minimize the racism is no better. Shame on you for this disingenuousness. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ganryuu@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Even when we go per capita the US stays a shithole, it's not like they were trying to actively misinform people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] salty_chief@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago That’s because US population has too much freedom. Gotta keep a boot on peoples neck to maintain control. Look at the 466+ people arrested for protesting https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-police-arrest-more-than-466-protest-banned-palestine-action-group-2025-08-09/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] Albbi@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago Is this better, worse, or the same as throwing dildos at female WNBA athletes? permalink fedilink source parent [–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago The Asiaphobia that still goes on in the UK is absurd... I'll still never get over the British Dub of Takeshi's Castle referring to contestants as "Happy Clappy Jappy Chappies" and "Kamikaze Cousins" A shame, I really wanted to watch that version, it has Craig Charles doing the narrating, but.. sorry Lister, seems you can't help but be a smeghead around the Japanese. permalink fedilink source parent [–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 1 point 1 year ago Agreed on the condescension, that was uncalled for. Your whataboutism sucks though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago What do you mean, “try Europe?” permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FerretyFever0@fedia.io -1 points 1 year ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (19 children) Knowing that Europe literally has a problem with its soccer audiences making monkey noises at black athletes makes this particular bit of condescension all the more ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] Fiery@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 1 year ago (9 children) Idiots and assholes exist everywhere. At least ours don't have guns. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 1 year ago (8 children) Yeah, they use knives instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (2 children) The knife homicide rate is literally higher in the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) If you think I'm trying to say the US is better.. by any measure LOL! -No. The US is a shithole. My point is that if you take guns out of the equation they'll just be replaced by something else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago My point is that your comment makes it sound like gun control would solve nothing. That patently isn't the case. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago (4 children) This isn’t the flex you think it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) Wasn't intended to be. But evil people will find a way to do evil. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) Yes, but one of those things is capable of a lot more damage in a much shorter amount of time. You’ll also have a hard time knifing people from a window with a wide vantage point. Knives are dangerous, and evil people will be evil. But should we just hand out rocket launchers on the side of the road because knives exist? It’s an absurd suggestion, obviously. So is “knives exist so guns are fine.” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 1 year ago (1 child) You keep putting words in my mouth so this conversation is over. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago Care to explain what you meant then? Because the most I did was paraphrase what I understood to be your stance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 4 points 1 year ago A lot of Europe seems to somehow have worse racism in some areas than the US. Ask a couple English people what they think of travellers and Muslims. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 6nk06@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (4 children) Reddit moment: comparing a few racist idiots with daily murders. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 8 points 1 year ago I think if the matches are having to be stopped, it's probably more than a few. permalink fedilink source parent [–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children) "Daily murder" is a sneaky rhetorical maneuver, considering it's something influenced more by raw population size, than by capita. It's easy for there to be a "daily murder" in a country of 340,000,000 people, even when the overwhelmingly vast majority of people do not murder. Using "few" to trivialize/minimize the racism is no better. Shame on you for this disingenuousness. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ganryuu@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Even when we go per capita the US stays a shithole, it's not like they were trying to actively misinform people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] salty_chief@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago That’s because US population has too much freedom. Gotta keep a boot on peoples neck to maintain control. Look at the 466+ people arrested for protesting https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-police-arrest-more-than-466-protest-banned-palestine-action-group-2025-08-09/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] Albbi@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago Is this better, worse, or the same as throwing dildos at female WNBA athletes? permalink fedilink source parent [–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago The Asiaphobia that still goes on in the UK is absurd... I'll still never get over the British Dub of Takeshi's Castle referring to contestants as "Happy Clappy Jappy Chappies" and "Kamikaze Cousins" A shame, I really wanted to watch that version, it has Craig Charles doing the narrating, but.. sorry Lister, seems you can't help but be a smeghead around the Japanese. permalink fedilink source parent [–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 1 point 1 year ago Agreed on the condescension, that was uncalled for. Your whataboutism sucks though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fiery@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 1 year ago (9 children) Idiots and assholes exist everywhere. At least ours don't have guns. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 1 year ago (8 children) Yeah, they use knives instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (2 children) The knife homicide rate is literally higher in the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) If you think I'm trying to say the US is better.. by any measure LOL! -No. The US is a shithole. My point is that if you take guns out of the equation they'll just be replaced by something else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago My point is that your comment makes it sound like gun control would solve nothing. That patently isn't the case. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago (4 children) This isn’t the flex you think it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) Wasn't intended to be. But evil people will find a way to do evil. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) Yes, but one of those things is capable of a lot more damage in a much shorter amount of time. You’ll also have a hard time knifing people from a window with a wide vantage point. Knives are dangerous, and evil people will be evil. But should we just hand out rocket launchers on the side of the road because knives exist? It’s an absurd suggestion, obviously. So is “knives exist so guns are fine.” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 1 year ago (1 child) You keep putting words in my mouth so this conversation is over. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago Care to explain what you meant then? Because the most I did was paraphrase what I understood to be your stance. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 1 year ago (8 children) Yeah, they use knives instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (2 children) The knife homicide rate is literally higher in the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) If you think I'm trying to say the US is better.. by any measure LOL! -No. The US is a shithole. My point is that if you take guns out of the equation they'll just be replaced by something else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago My point is that your comment makes it sound like gun control would solve nothing. That patently isn't the case. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago (4 children) This isn’t the flex you think it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) Wasn't intended to be. But evil people will find a way to do evil. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) Yes, but one of those things is capable of a lot more damage in a much shorter amount of time. You’ll also have a hard time knifing people from a window with a wide vantage point. Knives are dangerous, and evil people will be evil. But should we just hand out rocket launchers on the side of the road because knives exist? It’s an absurd suggestion, obviously. So is “knives exist so guns are fine.” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 1 year ago (1 child) You keep putting words in my mouth so this conversation is over. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago Care to explain what you meant then? Because the most I did was paraphrase what I understood to be your stance. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (2 children) The knife homicide rate is literally higher in the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) If you think I'm trying to say the US is better.. by any measure LOL! -No. The US is a shithole. My point is that if you take guns out of the equation they'll just be replaced by something else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago My point is that your comment makes it sound like gun control would solve nothing. That patently isn't the case. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) If you think I'm trying to say the US is better.. by any measure LOL! -No. The US is a shithole. My point is that if you take guns out of the equation they'll just be replaced by something else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago My point is that your comment makes it sound like gun control would solve nothing. That patently isn't the case. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago My point is that your comment makes it sound like gun control would solve nothing. That patently isn't the case. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago (4 children) This isn’t the flex you think it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) Wasn't intended to be. But evil people will find a way to do evil. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) Yes, but one of those things is capable of a lot more damage in a much shorter amount of time. You’ll also have a hard time knifing people from a window with a wide vantage point. Knives are dangerous, and evil people will be evil. But should we just hand out rocket launchers on the side of the road because knives exist? It’s an absurd suggestion, obviously. So is “knives exist so guns are fine.” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 1 year ago (1 child) You keep putting words in my mouth so this conversation is over. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago Care to explain what you meant then? Because the most I did was paraphrase what I understood to be your stance. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) Wasn't intended to be. But evil people will find a way to do evil. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) Yes, but one of those things is capable of a lot more damage in a much shorter amount of time. You’ll also have a hard time knifing people from a window with a wide vantage point. Knives are dangerous, and evil people will be evil. But should we just hand out rocket launchers on the side of the road because knives exist? It’s an absurd suggestion, obviously. So is “knives exist so guns are fine.” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 1 year ago (1 child) You keep putting words in my mouth so this conversation is over. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago Care to explain what you meant then? Because the most I did was paraphrase what I understood to be your stance. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) Yes, but one of those things is capable of a lot more damage in a much shorter amount of time. You’ll also have a hard time knifing people from a window with a wide vantage point. Knives are dangerous, and evil people will be evil. But should we just hand out rocket launchers on the side of the road because knives exist? It’s an absurd suggestion, obviously. So is “knives exist so guns are fine.” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 1 year ago (1 child) You keep putting words in my mouth so this conversation is over. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago Care to explain what you meant then? Because the most I did was paraphrase what I understood to be your stance. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 1 year ago (1 child) You keep putting words in my mouth so this conversation is over. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago Care to explain what you meant then? Because the most I did was paraphrase what I understood to be your stance. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago Care to explain what you meant then? Because the most I did was paraphrase what I understood to be your stance. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 4 points 1 year ago A lot of Europe seems to somehow have worse racism in some areas than the US. Ask a couple English people what they think of travellers and Muslims. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 6nk06@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (4 children) Reddit moment: comparing a few racist idiots with daily murders. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 8 points 1 year ago I think if the matches are having to be stopped, it's probably more than a few. permalink fedilink source parent [–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children) "Daily murder" is a sneaky rhetorical maneuver, considering it's something influenced more by raw population size, than by capita. It's easy for there to be a "daily murder" in a country of 340,000,000 people, even when the overwhelmingly vast majority of people do not murder. Using "few" to trivialize/minimize the racism is no better. Shame on you for this disingenuousness. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ganryuu@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Even when we go per capita the US stays a shithole, it's not like they were trying to actively misinform people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] salty_chief@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago That’s because US population has too much freedom. Gotta keep a boot on peoples neck to maintain control. Look at the 466+ people arrested for protesting https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-police-arrest-more-than-466-protest-banned-palestine-action-group-2025-08-09/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 8 points 1 year ago I think if the matches are having to be stopped, it's probably more than a few. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children) "Daily murder" is a sneaky rhetorical maneuver, considering it's something influenced more by raw population size, than by capita. It's easy for there to be a "daily murder" in a country of 340,000,000 people, even when the overwhelmingly vast majority of people do not murder. Using "few" to trivialize/minimize the racism is no better. Shame on you for this disingenuousness. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ganryuu@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Even when we go per capita the US stays a shithole, it's not like they were trying to actively misinform people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] salty_chief@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago That’s because US population has too much freedom. Gotta keep a boot on peoples neck to maintain control. Look at the 466+ people arrested for protesting https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-police-arrest-more-than-466-protest-banned-palestine-action-group-2025-08-09/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ganryuu@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Even when we go per capita the US stays a shithole, it's not like they were trying to actively misinform people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] salty_chief@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago That’s because US population has too much freedom. Gotta keep a boot on peoples neck to maintain control. Look at the 466+ people arrested for protesting https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-police-arrest-more-than-466-protest-banned-palestine-action-group-2025-08-09/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] salty_chief@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago That’s because US population has too much freedom. Gotta keep a boot on peoples neck to maintain control. Look at the 466+ people arrested for protesting https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-police-arrest-more-than-466-protest-banned-palestine-action-group-2025-08-09/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Albbi@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago Is this better, worse, or the same as throwing dildos at female WNBA athletes? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago The Asiaphobia that still goes on in the UK is absurd... I'll still never get over the British Dub of Takeshi's Castle referring to contestants as "Happy Clappy Jappy Chappies" and "Kamikaze Cousins" A shame, I really wanted to watch that version, it has Craig Charles doing the narrating, but.. sorry Lister, seems you can't help but be a smeghead around the Japanese. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 1 point 1 year ago Agreed on the condescension, that was uncalled for. Your whataboutism sucks though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago What do you mean, “try Europe?” permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 11 points 1 year ago The police are not effective at dealing with school shootings. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] db2@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago Authorities be like "aww shoot, not again." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* The issue here is that the authorities are letting a piece of half-ass code (Read: AI) decide what is a legitimate threat and, worse still, acting on that determination without question. Yeah, at the very least, the software should be passing on the statement, and context surrounding it, along with its 'judgment', to the authorities, putting all the responsibility for making the call that X genuinely merits action on said authorities. Of course, that's just one piece of the puzzle, and not a solution if law enforcement isn't held accountable when they fuck up. permalink fedilink source parent