โฒ 275 โผ French Car Brand Renault To Go Completely Leather-Free By The End Of 2025 (plantbasednews.org) submitted 1 year ago by Sunshine@lemmy.ca to c/buyeuropean@feddit.uk 111 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[โ] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 9 points 1 year ago (4 children) I did not know cars still had animal leather in them permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [โ] stoy@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Most cars can be bought with leather seats, that is a standard option on basically all cars. The steering wheel is another component that often is wrapped in leather. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 6 points 1 year ago* (1 child) I mean I thought they were synthetic leather not real animal leather I just did a quick check โ Leather appointed seats are a combination of genuine and artificial leather and are not wholly leather. https://www.mitsubishi-motors.com.au/content/dam/mmal/pdfs/vehicle-brochures/25MY%20Outlander%20Brochure.pdf Yeah far out :| permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] stoy@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago Most manufacturers have the option to select either. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Sunshine@lemmy.ca [S] 2 points 1 year ago I suppose that would be the case in India. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Fabric is superior in comfort and cost. But if you absolutely want leather for looks/stain resistance, there historically hasn't been much of a choice. Plastic fake leather alternatives degrade pretty badly under UV light, causing cracking/flaking after just a few years. As anyone who has owned a fake leather chair or jacket would have noticed. But the expected lifetime of a car interior is measured in decades. The article mentions some startup innovating on new synthetic hemp-based fake leather, it'll be interesting to see if they can match the long-term durability of genuine leather. Otherwise it'll be a shame if those interiors fall apart in 5-10 years, reupholstering an entire car is not a small job. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) Fabric isn't superior in comfort, it has way too much friction. Definitely the cheaper and greener option though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I mean, it's a matter of opinion, but leather sucks in hot and in cold weather. It doesn't breathe so I get super sweaty, and it gets super cold in winter. So luxury cars compensate with heated seats and in-seat ventilation... I've never considered the friction of my car seat to even be a factor, I don't tend to move much once I'm sat down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I can't even stand clothes that rub against my skin the wrong way, let alone car seats lol. Maybe some sort of sensory overload issue for me. Where I live, it gets so cold you can't drive away right after starting the engine anyway, you won't see through your windows. You start the engine and heated seats and heated rear window (and front if you have a Ford) and then start clearing the ice off your windows. In the summer, hot car is hot regardless of seats. Start the car and AC, have a cigarette or finish your chat, then get in the car. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) In the summer, hot car is hot regardless of seats. Start the car and AC, have a cigarette or finish your chat, then get in the car. If you dont have ass melting leather, you can just roll the windows down and drive off instantly as the motion creates a breeze to push out the hot air. Even with AC, leather becomes sticky with sweat, there simply no win for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Never seen windows cool a car down enough in the summer. I also cool my car to about 15C in the summer. What sweat? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) The sweat produced between your body and the seat because leather is waterproof and doesnt breath. Also you dont need windows to cool it all the way down... just enough to remove the excess heat as the AC takes its time to get cool... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Or just don't get in the car before it's cold lol, wouldn't do that with cloth seats either plus I wouldn't want to sweat into those anyway, they absorb the sweat permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) I dont have money to waste on a half gallon of gas for the seats to get cold enough. Besides, fabric doesnt feel very hot as it naturally has insulating properties. I have a feeling you live in a mild climate and dont have to deal with 35C with 100% humidity permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) 35C/100% is literal death for humans. I would literally kill myself whereever you live. Also we have diesel cars here. Half a gallon gets you like 2-3 hours of idling lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) They dont call the Southern US as Satans taint for no reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago* I'm in Europe, but latitude is about the same as Anchorage, Alaska. For winter it's not uncommon to have auxiliary heating that starts off a remote or app. Plus you wear clothes to make up for it Summer is like 4-5 minutes of idling and then itโs not TOO bad to get inside. Unless you parked straight in the sun and your first drive of the day is in the afternoon. Best car I've ever owned was a rusty 2003 MB E-class. 4 zone climate went down to 12C, seats were heated and ventilated, and you could set it to run the interior fan for 30 min with ignition off. 1000 miles to a tank of diesel. Cost me a whopping 3k. They're available as diesels in the US too (2005 MY only) and last about a million miles, but US did not get the diesel in the wagon body style I had, which made it the ultimate do-anything car permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Lazhward@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You must be wearing leather underwear then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago Lmao It's a very different fabric from seats, which need to last way longer and use tougher fabrics. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Wooki@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Wait until you find out the only alternative is copious amounts oil products permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] troglodyke@lemmy.federate.cc 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's not, cotton seats are also a thing. And even the polycarbons are usually recycled anyway permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Wooki@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Oh fantastic, mictoplastics or Cotton which has a very prominent ecology impacts like the insane amount of water required, and the associated agrochemical runoff that includes nitrates, poisons (especially pesticides) making its way back into the water system. https://www.worldwildlife.org/industries/cotton permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] stoy@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Most cars can be bought with leather seats, that is a standard option on basically all cars. The steering wheel is another component that often is wrapped in leather. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 6 points 1 year ago* (1 child) I mean I thought they were synthetic leather not real animal leather I just did a quick check โ Leather appointed seats are a combination of genuine and artificial leather and are not wholly leather. https://www.mitsubishi-motors.com.au/content/dam/mmal/pdfs/vehicle-brochures/25MY%20Outlander%20Brochure.pdf Yeah far out :| permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] stoy@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago Most manufacturers have the option to select either. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 6 points 1 year ago* (1 child) I mean I thought they were synthetic leather not real animal leather I just did a quick check โ Leather appointed seats are a combination of genuine and artificial leather and are not wholly leather. https://www.mitsubishi-motors.com.au/content/dam/mmal/pdfs/vehicle-brochures/25MY%20Outlander%20Brochure.pdf Yeah far out :| permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] stoy@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago Most manufacturers have the option to select either. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] stoy@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago Most manufacturers have the option to select either. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Sunshine@lemmy.ca [S] 2 points 1 year ago I suppose that would be the case in India. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Fabric is superior in comfort and cost. But if you absolutely want leather for looks/stain resistance, there historically hasn't been much of a choice. Plastic fake leather alternatives degrade pretty badly under UV light, causing cracking/flaking after just a few years. As anyone who has owned a fake leather chair or jacket would have noticed. But the expected lifetime of a car interior is measured in decades. The article mentions some startup innovating on new synthetic hemp-based fake leather, it'll be interesting to see if they can match the long-term durability of genuine leather. Otherwise it'll be a shame if those interiors fall apart in 5-10 years, reupholstering an entire car is not a small job. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) Fabric isn't superior in comfort, it has way too much friction. Definitely the cheaper and greener option though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I mean, it's a matter of opinion, but leather sucks in hot and in cold weather. It doesn't breathe so I get super sweaty, and it gets super cold in winter. So luxury cars compensate with heated seats and in-seat ventilation... I've never considered the friction of my car seat to even be a factor, I don't tend to move much once I'm sat down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I can't even stand clothes that rub against my skin the wrong way, let alone car seats lol. Maybe some sort of sensory overload issue for me. Where I live, it gets so cold you can't drive away right after starting the engine anyway, you won't see through your windows. You start the engine and heated seats and heated rear window (and front if you have a Ford) and then start clearing the ice off your windows. In the summer, hot car is hot regardless of seats. Start the car and AC, have a cigarette or finish your chat, then get in the car. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) In the summer, hot car is hot regardless of seats. Start the car and AC, have a cigarette or finish your chat, then get in the car. If you dont have ass melting leather, you can just roll the windows down and drive off instantly as the motion creates a breeze to push out the hot air. Even with AC, leather becomes sticky with sweat, there simply no win for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Never seen windows cool a car down enough in the summer. I also cool my car to about 15C in the summer. What sweat? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) The sweat produced between your body and the seat because leather is waterproof and doesnt breath. Also you dont need windows to cool it all the way down... just enough to remove the excess heat as the AC takes its time to get cool... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Or just don't get in the car before it's cold lol, wouldn't do that with cloth seats either plus I wouldn't want to sweat into those anyway, they absorb the sweat permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) I dont have money to waste on a half gallon of gas for the seats to get cold enough. Besides, fabric doesnt feel very hot as it naturally has insulating properties. I have a feeling you live in a mild climate and dont have to deal with 35C with 100% humidity permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) 35C/100% is literal death for humans. I would literally kill myself whereever you live. Also we have diesel cars here. Half a gallon gets you like 2-3 hours of idling lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) They dont call the Southern US as Satans taint for no reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago* I'm in Europe, but latitude is about the same as Anchorage, Alaska. For winter it's not uncommon to have auxiliary heating that starts off a remote or app. Plus you wear clothes to make up for it Summer is like 4-5 minutes of idling and then itโs not TOO bad to get inside. Unless you parked straight in the sun and your first drive of the day is in the afternoon. Best car I've ever owned was a rusty 2003 MB E-class. 4 zone climate went down to 12C, seats were heated and ventilated, and you could set it to run the interior fan for 30 min with ignition off. 1000 miles to a tank of diesel. Cost me a whopping 3k. They're available as diesels in the US too (2005 MY only) and last about a million miles, but US did not get the diesel in the wagon body style I had, which made it the ultimate do-anything car permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Lazhward@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You must be wearing leather underwear then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago Lmao It's a very different fabric from seats, which need to last way longer and use tougher fabrics. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) Fabric isn't superior in comfort, it has way too much friction. Definitely the cheaper and greener option though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I mean, it's a matter of opinion, but leather sucks in hot and in cold weather. It doesn't breathe so I get super sweaty, and it gets super cold in winter. So luxury cars compensate with heated seats and in-seat ventilation... I've never considered the friction of my car seat to even be a factor, I don't tend to move much once I'm sat down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I can't even stand clothes that rub against my skin the wrong way, let alone car seats lol. Maybe some sort of sensory overload issue for me. Where I live, it gets so cold you can't drive away right after starting the engine anyway, you won't see through your windows. You start the engine and heated seats and heated rear window (and front if you have a Ford) and then start clearing the ice off your windows. In the summer, hot car is hot regardless of seats. Start the car and AC, have a cigarette or finish your chat, then get in the car. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) In the summer, hot car is hot regardless of seats. Start the car and AC, have a cigarette or finish your chat, then get in the car. If you dont have ass melting leather, you can just roll the windows down and drive off instantly as the motion creates a breeze to push out the hot air. Even with AC, leather becomes sticky with sweat, there simply no win for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Never seen windows cool a car down enough in the summer. I also cool my car to about 15C in the summer. What sweat? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) The sweat produced between your body and the seat because leather is waterproof and doesnt breath. Also you dont need windows to cool it all the way down... just enough to remove the excess heat as the AC takes its time to get cool... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Or just don't get in the car before it's cold lol, wouldn't do that with cloth seats either plus I wouldn't want to sweat into those anyway, they absorb the sweat permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) I dont have money to waste on a half gallon of gas for the seats to get cold enough. Besides, fabric doesnt feel very hot as it naturally has insulating properties. I have a feeling you live in a mild climate and dont have to deal with 35C with 100% humidity permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) 35C/100% is literal death for humans. I would literally kill myself whereever you live. Also we have diesel cars here. Half a gallon gets you like 2-3 hours of idling lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) They dont call the Southern US as Satans taint for no reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago* I'm in Europe, but latitude is about the same as Anchorage, Alaska. For winter it's not uncommon to have auxiliary heating that starts off a remote or app. Plus you wear clothes to make up for it Summer is like 4-5 minutes of idling and then itโs not TOO bad to get inside. Unless you parked straight in the sun and your first drive of the day is in the afternoon. Best car I've ever owned was a rusty 2003 MB E-class. 4 zone climate went down to 12C, seats were heated and ventilated, and you could set it to run the interior fan for 30 min with ignition off. 1000 miles to a tank of diesel. Cost me a whopping 3k. They're available as diesels in the US too (2005 MY only) and last about a million miles, but US did not get the diesel in the wagon body style I had, which made it the ultimate do-anything car permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Lazhward@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You must be wearing leather underwear then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago Lmao It's a very different fabric from seats, which need to last way longer and use tougher fabrics. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I mean, it's a matter of opinion, but leather sucks in hot and in cold weather. It doesn't breathe so I get super sweaty, and it gets super cold in winter. So luxury cars compensate with heated seats and in-seat ventilation... I've never considered the friction of my car seat to even be a factor, I don't tend to move much once I'm sat down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I can't even stand clothes that rub against my skin the wrong way, let alone car seats lol. Maybe some sort of sensory overload issue for me. Where I live, it gets so cold you can't drive away right after starting the engine anyway, you won't see through your windows. You start the engine and heated seats and heated rear window (and front if you have a Ford) and then start clearing the ice off your windows. In the summer, hot car is hot regardless of seats. Start the car and AC, have a cigarette or finish your chat, then get in the car. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) In the summer, hot car is hot regardless of seats. Start the car and AC, have a cigarette or finish your chat, then get in the car. If you dont have ass melting leather, you can just roll the windows down and drive off instantly as the motion creates a breeze to push out the hot air. Even with AC, leather becomes sticky with sweat, there simply no win for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Never seen windows cool a car down enough in the summer. I also cool my car to about 15C in the summer. What sweat? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) The sweat produced between your body and the seat because leather is waterproof and doesnt breath. Also you dont need windows to cool it all the way down... just enough to remove the excess heat as the AC takes its time to get cool... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Or just don't get in the car before it's cold lol, wouldn't do that with cloth seats either plus I wouldn't want to sweat into those anyway, they absorb the sweat permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) I dont have money to waste on a half gallon of gas for the seats to get cold enough. Besides, fabric doesnt feel very hot as it naturally has insulating properties. I have a feeling you live in a mild climate and dont have to deal with 35C with 100% humidity permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) 35C/100% is literal death for humans. I would literally kill myself whereever you live. Also we have diesel cars here. Half a gallon gets you like 2-3 hours of idling lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) They dont call the Southern US as Satans taint for no reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago* I'm in Europe, but latitude is about the same as Anchorage, Alaska. For winter it's not uncommon to have auxiliary heating that starts off a remote or app. Plus you wear clothes to make up for it Summer is like 4-5 minutes of idling and then itโs not TOO bad to get inside. Unless you parked straight in the sun and your first drive of the day is in the afternoon. Best car I've ever owned was a rusty 2003 MB E-class. 4 zone climate went down to 12C, seats were heated and ventilated, and you could set it to run the interior fan for 30 min with ignition off. 1000 miles to a tank of diesel. Cost me a whopping 3k. They're available as diesels in the US too (2005 MY only) and last about a million miles, but US did not get the diesel in the wagon body style I had, which made it the ultimate do-anything car permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I can't even stand clothes that rub against my skin the wrong way, let alone car seats lol. Maybe some sort of sensory overload issue for me. Where I live, it gets so cold you can't drive away right after starting the engine anyway, you won't see through your windows. You start the engine and heated seats and heated rear window (and front if you have a Ford) and then start clearing the ice off your windows. In the summer, hot car is hot regardless of seats. Start the car and AC, have a cigarette or finish your chat, then get in the car. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) In the summer, hot car is hot regardless of seats. Start the car and AC, have a cigarette or finish your chat, then get in the car. If you dont have ass melting leather, you can just roll the windows down and drive off instantly as the motion creates a breeze to push out the hot air. Even with AC, leather becomes sticky with sweat, there simply no win for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Never seen windows cool a car down enough in the summer. I also cool my car to about 15C in the summer. What sweat? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) The sweat produced between your body and the seat because leather is waterproof and doesnt breath. Also you dont need windows to cool it all the way down... just enough to remove the excess heat as the AC takes its time to get cool... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Or just don't get in the car before it's cold lol, wouldn't do that with cloth seats either plus I wouldn't want to sweat into those anyway, they absorb the sweat permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) I dont have money to waste on a half gallon of gas for the seats to get cold enough. Besides, fabric doesnt feel very hot as it naturally has insulating properties. I have a feeling you live in a mild climate and dont have to deal with 35C with 100% humidity permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) 35C/100% is literal death for humans. I would literally kill myself whereever you live. Also we have diesel cars here. Half a gallon gets you like 2-3 hours of idling lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) They dont call the Southern US as Satans taint for no reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago* I'm in Europe, but latitude is about the same as Anchorage, Alaska. For winter it's not uncommon to have auxiliary heating that starts off a remote or app. Plus you wear clothes to make up for it Summer is like 4-5 minutes of idling and then itโs not TOO bad to get inside. Unless you parked straight in the sun and your first drive of the day is in the afternoon. Best car I've ever owned was a rusty 2003 MB E-class. 4 zone climate went down to 12C, seats were heated and ventilated, and you could set it to run the interior fan for 30 min with ignition off. 1000 miles to a tank of diesel. Cost me a whopping 3k. They're available as diesels in the US too (2005 MY only) and last about a million miles, but US did not get the diesel in the wagon body style I had, which made it the ultimate do-anything car permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) In the summer, hot car is hot regardless of seats. Start the car and AC, have a cigarette or finish your chat, then get in the car. If you dont have ass melting leather, you can just roll the windows down and drive off instantly as the motion creates a breeze to push out the hot air. Even with AC, leather becomes sticky with sweat, there simply no win for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Never seen windows cool a car down enough in the summer. I also cool my car to about 15C in the summer. What sweat? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) The sweat produced between your body and the seat because leather is waterproof and doesnt breath. Also you dont need windows to cool it all the way down... just enough to remove the excess heat as the AC takes its time to get cool... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Or just don't get in the car before it's cold lol, wouldn't do that with cloth seats either plus I wouldn't want to sweat into those anyway, they absorb the sweat permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) I dont have money to waste on a half gallon of gas for the seats to get cold enough. Besides, fabric doesnt feel very hot as it naturally has insulating properties. I have a feeling you live in a mild climate and dont have to deal with 35C with 100% humidity permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) 35C/100% is literal death for humans. I would literally kill myself whereever you live. Also we have diesel cars here. Half a gallon gets you like 2-3 hours of idling lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) They dont call the Southern US as Satans taint for no reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago* I'm in Europe, but latitude is about the same as Anchorage, Alaska. For winter it's not uncommon to have auxiliary heating that starts off a remote or app. Plus you wear clothes to make up for it Summer is like 4-5 minutes of idling and then itโs not TOO bad to get inside. Unless you parked straight in the sun and your first drive of the day is in the afternoon. Best car I've ever owned was a rusty 2003 MB E-class. 4 zone climate went down to 12C, seats were heated and ventilated, and you could set it to run the interior fan for 30 min with ignition off. 1000 miles to a tank of diesel. Cost me a whopping 3k. They're available as diesels in the US too (2005 MY only) and last about a million miles, but US did not get the diesel in the wagon body style I had, which made it the ultimate do-anything car permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Never seen windows cool a car down enough in the summer. I also cool my car to about 15C in the summer. What sweat? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) The sweat produced between your body and the seat because leather is waterproof and doesnt breath. Also you dont need windows to cool it all the way down... just enough to remove the excess heat as the AC takes its time to get cool... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Or just don't get in the car before it's cold lol, wouldn't do that with cloth seats either plus I wouldn't want to sweat into those anyway, they absorb the sweat permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) I dont have money to waste on a half gallon of gas for the seats to get cold enough. Besides, fabric doesnt feel very hot as it naturally has insulating properties. I have a feeling you live in a mild climate and dont have to deal with 35C with 100% humidity permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) 35C/100% is literal death for humans. I would literally kill myself whereever you live. Also we have diesel cars here. Half a gallon gets you like 2-3 hours of idling lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) They dont call the Southern US as Satans taint for no reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago* I'm in Europe, but latitude is about the same as Anchorage, Alaska. For winter it's not uncommon to have auxiliary heating that starts off a remote or app. Plus you wear clothes to make up for it Summer is like 4-5 minutes of idling and then itโs not TOO bad to get inside. Unless you parked straight in the sun and your first drive of the day is in the afternoon. Best car I've ever owned was a rusty 2003 MB E-class. 4 zone climate went down to 12C, seats were heated and ventilated, and you could set it to run the interior fan for 30 min with ignition off. 1000 miles to a tank of diesel. Cost me a whopping 3k. They're available as diesels in the US too (2005 MY only) and last about a million miles, but US did not get the diesel in the wagon body style I had, which made it the ultimate do-anything car permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) The sweat produced between your body and the seat because leather is waterproof and doesnt breath. Also you dont need windows to cool it all the way down... just enough to remove the excess heat as the AC takes its time to get cool... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Or just don't get in the car before it's cold lol, wouldn't do that with cloth seats either plus I wouldn't want to sweat into those anyway, they absorb the sweat permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) I dont have money to waste on a half gallon of gas for the seats to get cold enough. Besides, fabric doesnt feel very hot as it naturally has insulating properties. I have a feeling you live in a mild climate and dont have to deal with 35C with 100% humidity permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) 35C/100% is literal death for humans. I would literally kill myself whereever you live. Also we have diesel cars here. Half a gallon gets you like 2-3 hours of idling lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) They dont call the Southern US as Satans taint for no reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago* I'm in Europe, but latitude is about the same as Anchorage, Alaska. For winter it's not uncommon to have auxiliary heating that starts off a remote or app. Plus you wear clothes to make up for it Summer is like 4-5 minutes of idling and then itโs not TOO bad to get inside. Unless you parked straight in the sun and your first drive of the day is in the afternoon. Best car I've ever owned was a rusty 2003 MB E-class. 4 zone climate went down to 12C, seats were heated and ventilated, and you could set it to run the interior fan for 30 min with ignition off. 1000 miles to a tank of diesel. Cost me a whopping 3k. They're available as diesels in the US too (2005 MY only) and last about a million miles, but US did not get the diesel in the wagon body style I had, which made it the ultimate do-anything car permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Or just don't get in the car before it's cold lol, wouldn't do that with cloth seats either plus I wouldn't want to sweat into those anyway, they absorb the sweat permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) I dont have money to waste on a half gallon of gas for the seats to get cold enough. Besides, fabric doesnt feel very hot as it naturally has insulating properties. I have a feeling you live in a mild climate and dont have to deal with 35C with 100% humidity permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) 35C/100% is literal death for humans. I would literally kill myself whereever you live. Also we have diesel cars here. Half a gallon gets you like 2-3 hours of idling lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) They dont call the Southern US as Satans taint for no reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago* I'm in Europe, but latitude is about the same as Anchorage, Alaska. For winter it's not uncommon to have auxiliary heating that starts off a remote or app. Plus you wear clothes to make up for it Summer is like 4-5 minutes of idling and then itโs not TOO bad to get inside. Unless you parked straight in the sun and your first drive of the day is in the afternoon. Best car I've ever owned was a rusty 2003 MB E-class. 4 zone climate went down to 12C, seats were heated and ventilated, and you could set it to run the interior fan for 30 min with ignition off. 1000 miles to a tank of diesel. Cost me a whopping 3k. They're available as diesels in the US too (2005 MY only) and last about a million miles, but US did not get the diesel in the wagon body style I had, which made it the ultimate do-anything car permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) I dont have money to waste on a half gallon of gas for the seats to get cold enough. Besides, fabric doesnt feel very hot as it naturally has insulating properties. I have a feeling you live in a mild climate and dont have to deal with 35C with 100% humidity permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) 35C/100% is literal death for humans. I would literally kill myself whereever you live. Also we have diesel cars here. Half a gallon gets you like 2-3 hours of idling lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) They dont call the Southern US as Satans taint for no reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago* I'm in Europe, but latitude is about the same as Anchorage, Alaska. For winter it's not uncommon to have auxiliary heating that starts off a remote or app. Plus you wear clothes to make up for it Summer is like 4-5 minutes of idling and then itโs not TOO bad to get inside. Unless you parked straight in the sun and your first drive of the day is in the afternoon. Best car I've ever owned was a rusty 2003 MB E-class. 4 zone climate went down to 12C, seats were heated and ventilated, and you could set it to run the interior fan for 30 min with ignition off. 1000 miles to a tank of diesel. Cost me a whopping 3k. They're available as diesels in the US too (2005 MY only) and last about a million miles, but US did not get the diesel in the wagon body style I had, which made it the ultimate do-anything car permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) 35C/100% is literal death for humans. I would literally kill myself whereever you live. Also we have diesel cars here. Half a gallon gets you like 2-3 hours of idling lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) They dont call the Southern US as Satans taint for no reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago* I'm in Europe, but latitude is about the same as Anchorage, Alaska. For winter it's not uncommon to have auxiliary heating that starts off a remote or app. Plus you wear clothes to make up for it Summer is like 4-5 minutes of idling and then itโs not TOO bad to get inside. Unless you parked straight in the sun and your first drive of the day is in the afternoon. Best car I've ever owned was a rusty 2003 MB E-class. 4 zone climate went down to 12C, seats were heated and ventilated, and you could set it to run the interior fan for 30 min with ignition off. 1000 miles to a tank of diesel. Cost me a whopping 3k. They're available as diesels in the US too (2005 MY only) and last about a million miles, but US did not get the diesel in the wagon body style I had, which made it the ultimate do-anything car permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) They dont call the Southern US as Satans taint for no reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago* I'm in Europe, but latitude is about the same as Anchorage, Alaska. For winter it's not uncommon to have auxiliary heating that starts off a remote or app. Plus you wear clothes to make up for it Summer is like 4-5 minutes of idling and then itโs not TOO bad to get inside. Unless you parked straight in the sun and your first drive of the day is in the afternoon. Best car I've ever owned was a rusty 2003 MB E-class. 4 zone climate went down to 12C, seats were heated and ventilated, and you could set it to run the interior fan for 30 min with ignition off. 1000 miles to a tank of diesel. Cost me a whopping 3k. They're available as diesels in the US too (2005 MY only) and last about a million miles, but US did not get the diesel in the wagon body style I had, which made it the ultimate do-anything car permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago* I'm in Europe, but latitude is about the same as Anchorage, Alaska. For winter it's not uncommon to have auxiliary heating that starts off a remote or app. Plus you wear clothes to make up for it Summer is like 4-5 minutes of idling and then itโs not TOO bad to get inside. Unless you parked straight in the sun and your first drive of the day is in the afternoon. Best car I've ever owned was a rusty 2003 MB E-class. 4 zone climate went down to 12C, seats were heated and ventilated, and you could set it to run the interior fan for 30 min with ignition off. 1000 miles to a tank of diesel. Cost me a whopping 3k. They're available as diesels in the US too (2005 MY only) and last about a million miles, but US did not get the diesel in the wagon body style I had, which made it the ultimate do-anything car permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Lazhward@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You must be wearing leather underwear then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago Lmao It's a very different fabric from seats, which need to last way longer and use tougher fabrics. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago Lmao It's a very different fabric from seats, which need to last way longer and use tougher fabrics. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Wooki@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Wait until you find out the only alternative is copious amounts oil products permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] troglodyke@lemmy.federate.cc 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's not, cotton seats are also a thing. And even the polycarbons are usually recycled anyway permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Wooki@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Oh fantastic, mictoplastics or Cotton which has a very prominent ecology impacts like the insane amount of water required, and the associated agrochemical runoff that includes nitrates, poisons (especially pesticides) making its way back into the water system. https://www.worldwildlife.org/industries/cotton permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] troglodyke@lemmy.federate.cc 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's not, cotton seats are also a thing. And even the polycarbons are usually recycled anyway permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Wooki@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Oh fantastic, mictoplastics or Cotton which has a very prominent ecology impacts like the insane amount of water required, and the associated agrochemical runoff that includes nitrates, poisons (especially pesticides) making its way back into the water system. https://www.worldwildlife.org/industries/cotton permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Wooki@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Oh fantastic, mictoplastics or Cotton which has a very prominent ecology impacts like the insane amount of water required, and the associated agrochemical runoff that includes nitrates, poisons (especially pesticides) making its way back into the water system. https://www.worldwildlife.org/industries/cotton permalink fedilink source parent