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"We're totally different sides!" (lemmy.ml)
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[–] 8 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Literally fucking half of the shit you attribute to democrats.

Stop racism in policing.

Start here. This is a fucking lie and you're practically a nazi for whitewashing them

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Its not a lie. The legal progress towards this has come from Democrats. Yeah, it's not enough and it's been too long coming. Still, look at which states passed laws on chokeholds and which states passed laws allowing people to run over protesters, then tell me there is no difference in the parties.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You're too easily impressed with the most superficial bullshit possible. The difference you highlighted is purely symbolic on both sides. As if cops are restrained by the law in the first place. Both parties have the exact same policy on policing and your 'good guys' are almost exclusively the ones in charge of the cities that actually run those police departments. All they do is give them more funding. And to confound people like you they engage in 'liberal box checking' where they 'do something' that changes absolutely nothing structurally. And then you turn around and defend these murderers like they're the good guys. You're a boob.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Not allowing choke holds isn't superficial. Body cams aren't superficial. They cut down on police use of force and citizen complaints. They also cost money. Better trained police costs money. Sending out social workers with police on domestic calls costs money ,and makes a huge difference in the quality of policing.

    The only substantial reduction in policing cost is cutting back on the drug war and most left leaning states are doing that. (Reducing numbers of police would do it but most states have similar per capita number of police as Europe).

    There is no doubt we have a long way to go on police reform, but to say there has been no progress simply isn't true.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm sorry but you're extremely too credulous and unthinking.

    I already explained why and how bans on chokeholds are superficial. Are your senses so dull that you didn't notice or are you being deliberately dishonest and lazy by not addressing it?

    Body cams are even more glaring an example. It's extremely fucking common knowledge that they turn them off whenever they want. Do you think you're being strategic by ignoring that fact? Because the effect in reality is it makes you sound like an idiot. Your entire premise is undermined.

    You just straight up have no idea what's happening in the world around you.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/08/warrior-cop-class-dave-grossman-killology.html

    "More training costs money"

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    "The perfect is the enemy of the good."

    Yes, some cops are going to use chokeholds regardless of bans. Some people are going to commit murder regardless of it being illegal too. That doesn't mean we shouldn't bother having laws against murder. The fact that chokes are not reduced to zero by chokehold bans does not negate that it reduces the number of chokes used. In the same way, the fact that cops will sometimes shut off their cams does not negate the times that they don't turn off the cams and it allows victims to seek justice.

    I am aware of Killilogy and Warrior Cop training. Cops receiving the wrong training is an entirely separate issue from the cost of improved training.

    Finally, please refrain from personal attacks as this detracts from your arguments and violates community guidelines.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago*

    “The perfect is the enemy of the good.”

    Murdering black people for advocating their civil rights is good huh?

    Cops receiving the wrong training is an entirely separate issue from the cost of improved training.

    No it isn't. You're hiding behind hollow rhetoric and ignoring reality entirely. Yes. In your fucking mind palace it's TECHNICALLY POSSIBLE to train police to not be bad. But you're ignoring all present conditions and all of history. I'm not going to apologize for you feeling stupid or offended at being called stupid. You're stupid.

    the fact that cops will sometimes shut off their cams does not negate the times that they don’t turn off the cams and it allows victims to seek justice

    Mind palace. Completely ignoring how the world works in favor of how the argument works in a vacuum.

    The fact that chokes are not reduced to zero by chokehold bans does not negate that it reduces the number of chokes used. In the same way

    Petulance. Police killings are up, not down. The direction is not towards zero. You're either a fascist or a useful idiot. It literally does not matter which. I call you a fascist.

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