chaorace comments on Madison Reeves on why she left LMG

[–] chaorace@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 3 years ago* (5 children)

My question is if she had such a bad experience, why hasn’t anyone else said anything, or at least put an anonymous negative review on Glassdoor or something? [...] (and the turnover is pretty low for LMG if I’m not mistaken, so that also doesn’t make sense)

Indeed, why is that? Why would she have such an abnormaly bad experience at this particular company? I can't seem to think of any particular traits that she might have which would have caused her to be treated differently. If sexist comments and sexual harassment are such a problem, then why do people like Gary, James, Ed, Nick, Colton, or Luke apparently seem blind to it? I have no idea what disparity in the distribution of power could possibly account for this phenomenon!

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[–] xusontha@ls.buckodr.ink -3 points 3 years ago (4 children)

The fact she is a woman is different than the majority, however there are other women at LMG and most likely/hopefully, not all the men at LMG are sexist so most likely at least one person from one of those camps would object/want to do/say something (I would hope little to none would be sexist, but we don't work there so we don't know)

But the point she is a woman makes it more likely/harder is entirely valid, yes

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[–] chaorace@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 3 years ago (3 children)

The fact she is a woman is different than the majority, however there are other women at LMG

I don't know how to respond to this without speaking condescendingly. I'm sorry, but you'll just have to trust me when I say that women can still be subjected to workplace harassment in situations where they aren't literally the only girl in the building. I'll leave it at that unless an actual woman wants to step in and expand on this subject further.

not all the men at LMG are sexist so most likely at least one person from one of those camps would object/want to do/say something

That's just how power works. If you're in the minority, your needs and concerns get less attention. If you're in a very small minority, they become practically invisible. Organizations aren't immune to this. Sexist outcomes can and will readily emerge from systems where none of the individuals directly intend to do a sexism.

As evidence, I'll point to the statistic itself. A gender gap as steep as this one doesn't happen by random chance. The only way you get this far skewed is with a feedback loop.

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[–] xusontha@ls.buckodr.ink -1 points 3 years ago (2 children)

I'm sorry, but you'll just have to trust me when I say that women can still be subjected to workplace harassment in situations where they aren't literally the only girl in the building.

I didn't mean it didn't happen, what I meant is there are other people who would be going through the same thing she did. I understand that it happens that's why I said your point about her being a woman is valid

That's just how power works. If you're in the minority, your needs and concerns get less attention. If you're in a very small minority, they become practically invisible. Organizations aren't immune to this. Sexist outcomes can and will readily emerge from systems where none of the individuals directly intend to do a sexism.

Again, I think you missed my point. I'm not saying it didn't happen (or did; we still don't have the report from the investigation), rather I'm just wondering why no one else said anything (again, just to be perfectly clear, I'M NOT SAYING IT DID OR DID NOT HAPPEN I'm just trying to understand the situation and how we got to this point. Maybe she was directly under a single person who was really bad. Maybe all the women are treated bad. We just don't know, at least not until the results from the external investigation come out.)

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[–] chaorace@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

You're of course within your rights to remain unconvinced, but I fail to understand the mindset that would lead a reasonable bystander to look at what Ms. Reeves has said thus far and think "there's a significant chance that this is untrue". Why? For what purpose? She stands to gain nothing by lying unless you start imagining that a much broader conspiracy is somehow at play.

If you're willing to entertain the idea of a hitherto unsubstantiated conspiracy from one side, then why not also suspect that LMG will conspire to hire a crooked auditor or otherwise hide unflattering findings? Why take anyone's word for anything?

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[–] xusontha@ls.buckodr.ink 1 point 3 years ago

Why take anyone's word for anything?

What I was trying to say is I'm not really taking anyone's word for anything, I'm just trying to put the puzzle pieces together about what might have happened to result in the statements and facts we do know (which are really not a lot)

I fail to understand the mindset that would lead a reasonable bystander to look at what Ms. Reeves has said thus far and think "there's a significant chance that this is untrue"

My mindset is this: I don't know Madison, nor do I know Linus or anyone else at LMG. So I don't really trust either them (more specifically I don't immediately believe what either say without other reasons to believe it), since all I've seen of them is what they've allowed people to see of them. However, just because I don't immediately take what they say as fact doesn't mean I dismiss what they say; rather instead it means I want to look into and figure out whether it is true

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