▲ 112 ▼ So all signs are pointing too Drumpf getting us into a war with Iran and CNN is already manufacturing consent for it. That out of the way: (hexbear.net) submitted 1 year ago* by SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net to c/chat@hexbear.net 53 comments fedilink hide all child comments If Donny Dealz does drag us into another war in the middle east, is that the death of MAGA or will the chuds triple down and say this is 4D3D3D3D Chess and refill your popcorn bucket because any second now white people will rule the world again?
[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) When I was very young in the '90s, the Democrats were the party that got us into war. Are you talking about them intervening in the Yugo civil war? The only major direct confrontation the US was involved in in the 90’s was the Gulf War permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AnarchoAnarchist@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (2 children) In the '90s people were still talking about how Vietnam started off as the Democrat's war. Democrats also tended to be the party that talked about intervention, being the world's policeman. H.W. and Reagan started plenty of conflicts but the average American saw no impact from these conflicts. They couldn't point to Granada on a map, and Desert Storm was just a fun show on CNN. These conflicts were quickly forgotten and through most of the 90s Republicans were able to position themselves as a party of peace. In 2000, George W Bush's campaign focused on limiting "foreign entanglements" and not acting as the world's police. It's always been a lie from both parties, but even though it's a lie it's still the kind of message that wins elections. I've been looking for sources that back me up and I'm starting to think that this impression I have, is less objectively true. I definitely remember in the lead up to the Iraq War, several people reminding me the Republicans had not gotten us into the quagmire of Vietnam or Korea, but rewatching the presidential debates of 2000, it's really hard to find a place where Bush and Gore actually differ on foreign policy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Lussy@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago In the '90s people were still talking about how Vietnam started off as the Democrat's war. Ah, yeah, good point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago but rewatching the presidential debates of 2000, it's really hard to find a place where Bush and Gore actually differ on foreign policy. I distinctly remember seeing a clip from those debates where Gore took a more interventionist position, but idk if I could find it. It's a real thing though, it's a big part of why Bush was all like, "This is not about nation-building" and stuff like that at the start. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AnarchoAnarchist@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (2 children) In the '90s people were still talking about how Vietnam started off as the Democrat's war. Democrats also tended to be the party that talked about intervention, being the world's policeman. H.W. and Reagan started plenty of conflicts but the average American saw no impact from these conflicts. They couldn't point to Granada on a map, and Desert Storm was just a fun show on CNN. These conflicts were quickly forgotten and through most of the 90s Republicans were able to position themselves as a party of peace. In 2000, George W Bush's campaign focused on limiting "foreign entanglements" and not acting as the world's police. It's always been a lie from both parties, but even though it's a lie it's still the kind of message that wins elections. I've been looking for sources that back me up and I'm starting to think that this impression I have, is less objectively true. I definitely remember in the lead up to the Iraq War, several people reminding me the Republicans had not gotten us into the quagmire of Vietnam or Korea, but rewatching the presidential debates of 2000, it's really hard to find a place where Bush and Gore actually differ on foreign policy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Lussy@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago In the '90s people were still talking about how Vietnam started off as the Democrat's war. Ah, yeah, good point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago but rewatching the presidential debates of 2000, it's really hard to find a place where Bush and Gore actually differ on foreign policy. I distinctly remember seeing a clip from those debates where Gore took a more interventionist position, but idk if I could find it. It's a real thing though, it's a big part of why Bush was all like, "This is not about nation-building" and stuff like that at the start. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago In the '90s people were still talking about how Vietnam started off as the Democrat's war. Ah, yeah, good point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago but rewatching the presidential debates of 2000, it's really hard to find a place where Bush and Gore actually differ on foreign policy. I distinctly remember seeing a clip from those debates where Gore took a more interventionist position, but idk if I could find it. It's a real thing though, it's a big part of why Bush was all like, "This is not about nation-building" and stuff like that at the start. permalink fedilink source parent