▲ 117 ▼ Apple just proved AI "reasoning" models like Claude, DeepSeek-R1, and o3-mini don't actually reason at all. They just memorize patterns really well. (archive.is) submitted 1 year ago by pulpier@lemmy.world to c/apple_enthusiast@lemmy.world 24 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] pennomi@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 11 points 1 year ago Exactly. “Conventional wisdom” is often inaccurate, or outright incorrect. permalink fedilink source parent [–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) But others have been showing this for years... You don't often hear about the 17th time an experiment reaches the same conclusion. But like I said, people will care about it. Because capitalism drives science so it matters more when a billion dollar corporation says it than countless subject matter experts. Investors don't listen to them, but they'll listen to apple. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] floo@retrolemmy.com 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Just to be clear... You want me to show you a study that shows AI needs to be trained to do something? Because I can do that, I just realized this is apple and don't want to get in something that never ends with a fanboy. But what would make you happy is something that shows what AI developers spend billions of dollars and violate all types of laws or n pursuit of isn't just some optional step they can skip and it'll still do what it does now. Cuz thats what it sounds like youre asking for, it's just a little hard to believe. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] floo@retrolemmy.com -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) You aren’t wrong by in this case, nothing needs to be proven by a 3rd party since anyone recently in programming knows how LLMs works. It’s factual. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] pennomi@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago They most definitely are understood. The basics of what they’re doing doesn’t change. Garbage in, garbage out. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 11 points 1 year ago Exactly. “Conventional wisdom” is often inaccurate, or outright incorrect. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) But others have been showing this for years... You don't often hear about the 17th time an experiment reaches the same conclusion. But like I said, people will care about it. Because capitalism drives science so it matters more when a billion dollar corporation says it than countless subject matter experts. Investors don't listen to them, but they'll listen to apple. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] floo@retrolemmy.com 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Just to be clear... You want me to show you a study that shows AI needs to be trained to do something? Because I can do that, I just realized this is apple and don't want to get in something that never ends with a fanboy. But what would make you happy is something that shows what AI developers spend billions of dollars and violate all types of laws or n pursuit of isn't just some optional step they can skip and it'll still do what it does now. Cuz thats what it sounds like youre asking for, it's just a little hard to believe. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] floo@retrolemmy.com -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] floo@retrolemmy.com 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Just to be clear... You want me to show you a study that shows AI needs to be trained to do something? Because I can do that, I just realized this is apple and don't want to get in something that never ends with a fanboy. But what would make you happy is something that shows what AI developers spend billions of dollars and violate all types of laws or n pursuit of isn't just some optional step they can skip and it'll still do what it does now. Cuz thats what it sounds like youre asking for, it's just a little hard to believe. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] floo@retrolemmy.com -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Just to be clear... You want me to show you a study that shows AI needs to be trained to do something? Because I can do that, I just realized this is apple and don't want to get in something that never ends with a fanboy. But what would make you happy is something that shows what AI developers spend billions of dollars and violate all types of laws or n pursuit of isn't just some optional step they can skip and it'll still do what it does now. Cuz thats what it sounds like youre asking for, it's just a little hard to believe. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] floo@retrolemmy.com -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] floo@retrolemmy.com -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) You aren’t wrong by in this case, nothing needs to be proven by a 3rd party since anyone recently in programming knows how LLMs works. It’s factual. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] pennomi@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago They most definitely are understood. The basics of what they’re doing doesn’t change. Garbage in, garbage out. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] pennomi@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago They most definitely are understood. The basics of what they’re doing doesn’t change. Garbage in, garbage out. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago They most definitely are understood. The basics of what they’re doing doesn’t change. Garbage in, garbage out. permalink fedilink source parent