Atheism

I think it helps with clarity in conversations to recognize explicitly that we’re not talking about Jesus-a-person-who-existed-and-did-things, but rather a Jesus-concept. Whether or not there was a historical Jesus (for whatever that means), what we normally discuss is the mythological Jesus. Some might believe that the mythological Jesus is literally true, but they still rely on interpreting a series of writings to create a cohesive narrative. There are multiple narratives currently co-existing, ranging from Jesus-as-hippie to the ever popular “If Jesus had an AR-15 he wouldn’t have been crucified.”

Personally, I’m agnostic as to the existence of a historical Jesus, in no small part because it’s so poorly defined as a concept. But we can say in all of the things written about what Jesus said or did (or in the case of Paul the things Jesus never said but would have if it had occurred to him), multiple narratives and interpretations exist, and all cite the same source material to prove their point.

“You will be condemned unless you love me, no matter how much objective good you’ve done” seems like a morally dicey proposition. It’s not even repentance, per se, that triggers forgiveness. Judges in courts can take remorse into account. That’s not what this Jesus-concept is offering. Instead, it’s a “worship me as a god or die” position, outside of the framework that considers anything Jesus says as automatically good by definition.

The biblical Jesus was just as much of an asshole as the people writing about him were.

If you actually read the whole story, and not just 1 sentence, there are other people who are mocking him that he condemns. Saying he should save them because he's the Messiah. He says that to one person who defends him. And you also have to keep in mind there are A LOT of contradictions in the story of Jesus' death... It is mentioned across several contradictory books not only a single line or chapter in a single book. But it's all the word of God, so their condemnation still stands even if it contradicts other accounts ;)

Which is pretty ironic cause it highlights God made the fucked up rules, and could have just saved everyone without killing his kid and making everyone suffer on earth.

Some more examples of right wing Jesus... if you bother to read more than 1 sentence

Matthew 21 - Violence because people do not worship "the right way"

Matthew 15 - racism, advocating killing kids for disobeying

Matthew 24 - cut up servants into pieces for disobeying

Matthew 8 - killing a bunch of pigs for no reason? (this is more him being a dick but still lol wtf)

John 3 - again rebuking people for different beliefs

Matthew 12 - rebuking people asking for evidence to believe him

Matthew 10 is like the #1 right wing Jesus verse IMO

• telling disciples not to interact with other beliefs/races

• telling them he was there to divide the earth and families not to bring peace

• talks about abandoning all the people that believe differently

• must abandon your family to be "worthy"

Matthew 5 / Luke 16 are what people use to justify the old testament laws still apply. Which yes includes buying humans as slaves!

People act all surprised about the Bible being used to justify slavery and segregation and it's like.... It's right there dude it doesn't need to be manipulated. On the contrary I remember a lot of the Bible, just not the single happy lines people repeat all the time