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Anyone else? (lazysoci.al)
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[–] -3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

I'm sorry but you're never going to convince me that some mental disorders make people abusive and some magically don't. The reason you think autism is a magical exception among all those other examples you gave is just politics. You don't really believe your own rhetoric.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Holy shit man, it’s not that hard. You don’t need a mental disorder to be classified as an abuser. I said in my last comment that there are other ways to become an abuser, many of which are sociopolitical. You can have no mental disorders and grow up abused, and you are much more likely to continue the cycle than those who were not. You can be an alcoholic with routinely impaired judgement and become an abuser. You can simply be an asshole. There are any number of ways to be/become one without fitting the criteria of a mental disorder. The fact that some of the abusers you know happen to have autism is coincidental at best.

    Also, I’m not sure what “politics” you’re talking about (I jest, I know exactly the “politics” you mean) when I literally cited the DSM-5 to you. Not that it’s relevant when half my point was that mental disorders and abusive tendencies are neither mutually inclusive nor exclusive; but you keep insisting that a mental disorder must be the cause, so I did it anyway. If it has to be relevant, it would only be with regard to the specific way the abuse manifests, not whether it manifests in the first place.

    It’s not magic, and it’s not rhetoric, it’s just science. If you’re convinced that I won’t convince you - fine, I’ll stop trying. Just know that I’m not trying to convince you of what you think I’m trying to convince you of. If you were confused by that, reread this comment.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The fact that you're willing to argue that mental disorders can cause abusive behaviour at all tells me you're not coming from a place of intellectual honesty.

    There are two legitimate sides to this argument: they do, and they don't. You're part of the manufactured hypocritical third side, which argues some do and some don't, and the difference is how many people with the disorder you've heard a sob story from.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Exactly what did I say to give you the impression that any disorder caused abusive behavior?

    I said they are neither mutually inclusive nor exclusive - in other words, no direct causal relationship. Ever heard the phrase “correlation is not causation”? It just so happens that NPD correlates with abusive behavior much more than ASD does, and that isn’t according to any “sob stories” I heard - it’s from the DSM-5 which I linked to and which I’m now guessing you probably didn’t read.

    Anyway, I’m done with this. Have fun with your black-and-white life.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    So you are just going to state your false dichotomy fallacy outright? Yes different disorders have different symptoms and not all have the same effect on social functions. Just as I wouldn’t expect an amputated leg and a toothache to be the same in regards to their effect on running speed. Not all physical illnesses “either do or don’t make it more difficult to run” so why would all mental conditions “either make or not make one abusive”?

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