FreedomAdvocate comments on Tesla Full-Self Driving Veers Off Road, Hits Tree, and Flips Car for No Obvious Reason (No Serious Injuries, but Scary)

Tesla Full-Self Driving Veers Off Road, Hits Tree, and Flips Car for No Obvious Reason (No Serious Injuries, but Scary) (fuelarc.com)

submitted 1 year ago by KayLeadfoot@fedia.io to c/technology@lemmy.world

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A 2025 Tesla Model 3 in Full-Self Driving mode drives off of a rural road, clips a tree, loses a tire, flips over, and comes to rest on its roof. Luckily, the driver is alive and well, able to post about it on social media.

I just don't see how this technology could possibly be ready to power an autonomous taxi service by the end of next week.

[+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

What false advertising? It’s called “Full Self Driving (Supervised)”.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

For many years the "supervised" was not included, AFAIK Tesla was forced to do that.
And in this case "supervised" isn't even enough, because the car made an abrupt unexpected maneuver, instead of asking the driver to take over in time to react.

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[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The driver isn’t supposed to wait for the car to tell them to take over lol. The driver is supposed to take over when necessary.

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[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

The attention required to prevent these types of sudden crashes negates the purpose of FSD entirely.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

No if you look at Waymo as an example, they are actually autonomous, and stop to ask for assistance in situations they are "unsure" how to handle.

But even if you claim was true, in what way was this a situation where the driver could deem it necessary to take over? It was clear road ahead, and nothing in view to indicate any kind of problem, when the car made a sudden abrupt left causing it to roll upside down.

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[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

They can’t stop and ask for assistance at 100km/h on a highway.

I hope Tesla/Musk address this accident and get the telemetry from the car, cause there’s no evidence that FSD was even on.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

According to the driver it was on FSD, and it was using the latest software update available.

https://www.reddit.com/user/SynNightmare/

They can’t stop and ask for assistance at 100km/h on a highway.

Maybe the point is then, that Tesla FSD shouldn't be legally used on a highway.
But it probably shouldn't be used anywhere, because it's faulty as shit.
And why can't is slow down to let the driver take over in a timely manner, when it can break for no reason.
It was tested in Germany on Autobahn where it did that 8 times within 6 hours!!!

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[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

According to the driver, with zero evidence backing up the claim. With how much of a hard on everyone has for blaming Elon musk for everything, and trying to drag teslas stock down, his accident is a sure fire way to thousands of Internet karma and e-fame on sites like Reddit and Lemmy. Why doesn’t he just show us the interior camera?

Looking at his profile he’s milking this for all it’s worth - he’s posted the same thread to like 8 different subs lol. He’s karma whoring. He probably wasn’t even the one involved in the crash.

Looked at his twitter which he promoted on there too, and of course he tags mark rober and is retweeting everything about this crash. He’s loving the attention and doing everything he can to get more.

Also he had the car for less than 2 weeks and said he used FSD “all the time”……in a brand new car he’d basically never driven…..and then it does this catastrophic failure? Yeh nah lol. Also as others in some of the threads have pointed out, the version of FSD he claims it was on wasn’t out at the time of his accident.

Dudes lying through his teeth.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

There have been other similar cases lately, which clearly indicate problems with the car.
The driver has put up the footage from all the cameras of the car, so he has done what he can to provide evidence.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaFSD/comments/1ksa79y/1328_fsd_accident/

It's very clear from the comments, that some have personally experienced similar things, and others have seen reporting of it.
This is not an isolated incident. It's just has better footage than most.

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[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Also this happened in February. He never reached out to Tesla? He never requested the data to show that FSD was engaged? In that thread he says he only just did it. There’s also an official Tesla software program you can use to get the full logs, but as expected he hasn’t done that.

Dudes lying for sure.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

February explains why he wasn't on 13.2.9.
Why would he reach out to Tesla? That's not his job, but the insurance.
But there is no point, because Tesla never takes responsibility in these cases.

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[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 1 year ago

It also means that he couldn't have been on version 13.2.8 which he claims he was on though.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaFSD/comments/1ksa79y/1328_fsd_accident/mtlj5ki/

My point in saying he didn't reach out to tesla is that if I owned a car that drove itself off the road into a tree, I'd reach out to tesla and ask them to investigate and see what they'll do for me for almost killing me. Insurance is a completely different story, they'll go and do their thing regardless.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

You are so full of shit, I just checked it out:

https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1kskfqd/comment/mtmbkvm/?context=3

Ay that’s me thank you for tagging me. I know that there’s a lot of skepticism about my accident. I leased the car at the beginning of February and this happened at the end of February. I was using FSD every chance it would let me. I did not have time to react the cop said it was going 55 miles when it crashed me. I requested the data log today as somebody suggested to me.

He never claimed it was recent.

Every claim you make you never provide sources, because you are probably just parroting hearsay.

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[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 1 year ago*

He never claimed it was recent.

Did you not even read my post? Literally THE FIRST SENTENCE OF MY POST IS THIS:

Also this happened in February.

The part of mine that you misunderstood as me saying it was recent was, I assume, this:

He never requested the data to show that FSD was engaged? In that thread he says he only just did it.

Again, you misread and misunderstood - a common theme with you apparently - me saying that he only just requested the data from Tesla as me saying "he only just crashed the car". The quote you posted of the guy literally confirms what I said - that the crash was in February and that he only just requested the data lol

You are so full of shit, I just checked it out:

Every claim you make you never provide sources, because you are probably just parroting hearsay.

Care to apologize?

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[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

Just no footage from the interior camera, no proof of FSD being used.

Others have pointed out critical holes in his story - namely that he claims that he was on a version of FSD that was not released at the time of his crash.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

The link I gave you is the place he posted this. And you can see what version he says he was using:

I find it entertaining honestly there is so many conspiracy theories around my incident people saying it’s not a Tesla, the robo taxi drama, both political sides think I’m anti Elon, others saying that I wasn’t on 13.2.8 I definitely put mine on the beta channel to get that version as quick as I did

https://www.notateslaapp.com/fsd-beta/
So you are parroting bullshit, the current version is 13.2.9.

Just no footage from the interior camera, no proof of FSD being used.

Funny how people in the thread I linked to you, who drive Tesla themselves don't question this?
Some people believe the FSD saw the shadow of the pole as a curb in the road, or maybe even the base of a wall. And that's why the FSD decided to "evade".
There are plenty examples in the comments from people who drive Tesla themselves, about how it steers into oncoming traffic, one describes how his followed black skid marks in the road wearing wildly left to right, another describes how his made an evasive maneuver because of a patch in the road. It just goes on and on with how faulty FSD is.

IDK what Tesla cars have what cameras. But I've seen plenty reporting on Tesla FSD, and none of it is good.
So why do you believe it's more likely to be human error? When if it was a human not paying attention, it would be much more likely to weer slowly. rather than making an abrupt idiotic maneuver?

To me it seems you are the one who lacks evidence in your claims.
And problem with Tesla logging is that it's a proprietary system that only Tesla has access to, that system needs to be open for everybody to examine.

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[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The link I gave you is the place he posted this. And you can see what version he says he was using:

What he says is what's questionable though, because he says he was on 13.2.8 but that wasn't available to the public at the time of his crash. Being on the beta channel means nothing, he still wouldn't have gotten it because it wasn't available on the beta channel on that day.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaFSD/comments/1ksa79y/1328_fsd_accident/mtlj5ki/

So you are parroting bullshit, the current version is 13.2.9.

How am I parroting bullshit? The current version is 13.2.9? Great - has nothing to do with what I said.

Funny how people in the thread I linked to you, who drive Tesla themselves don’t question this?

Some of them did, because he says he was on 13.2.8 which added different camera recordings which aren't available on his car. He clearly didn't know this when he lied to say he was on 13.2.8, because if he was on it then these recordings would have been there. Reddit being reddit, and the internet being the internet - people lie. Most of the people in there claiming that their teslas tried to do the same thing are likely 12 year olds who've never driven a car before. Don't believe everything you read on the internet, ESPECIALLY on reddit lol.

Also if you haven't realized, hating on anything tesla/musk related is the cool thing to do at the moment, especially people on left-leaning sites like Reddit and Lemmy.

Some people believe the FSD saw the shadow of the pole as a curb in the road, or maybe even the base of a wall. And that’s why the FSD decided to “evade”.

Cool, doesn't mean they're right. The FSD saw shadows of poles and trees and power lines all the way up to that second too. Well it would have if it was engaged.

To me it seems you are the one who lacks evidence in your claims.

My claim is that it wasn't using FSD because he has provided ZERO evidence that he WAS using FSD. I'm the one asking for evidence to support the claim, and he has provided NONE. Remember - I'm not the one making the initial claim. I'm the one asking for evidence to support the claim.

Even if I was the one that needed to provide evidence, I have done so - lied about the version. No interior footage to prove it wasn't driver error. Didn't reach out to tesla about their car trying to kill him.

And problem with Tesla logging is that it’s a proprietary system that only Tesla has access to, that system needs to be open for everybody to examine.

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