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[–] 106 points 1 year ago (23 children)

At some point, someone is going to fire the first shot. Then it's open season on ICE agents. And you know what? I'm okay with that.

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  • [–] 71 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    I do wonder how all the "violence is never the answer" folks will go if it comes to that. I think a lot of them would side with ICE, sadly.

    Personally, I won't be upset if a would-be nazi meets an abrupt end to their career.

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago (5 children)
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    I hope to see a time when it's commonly accepted that Starship Troopers is not a fascist book, just a smart one.

    The movie does, of course, accuse it of being fascist while pretending it's satire.

    Anyway, in history the conflict seemed like "military with the fascists or under fascists, and often helping fascists", but in a lot of modern situations it seems that militaries are the component fascists fear most and try to neuter or spend in useless wars or corrupt. Every period of history is different. So maybe Starship Troopers being militarist is not a fascist trait too.

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  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ooops. Sounds like you accidentally picked up a Texas MAGA "history" book? Or maybe one covering the 18th century or before?

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You're absolutely right with thinking they'll stick with ICE. People who value Status Quo over all else ("it hurts my head thinking about the world changing, why can't everything just stay the same???????") always have and always will capitulate to Fascist regimes, because it removes the need for critical thought and the obligation to stand for anything. Moderates will be the death of us if we let them.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    It's not a new thought. There's the grey hypocritical mass that obeys, which is the main body behind any fascist regime.

    BTW, von Stauffenberg was pretty extreme right, yet he tried to assassinate Hitler, it's not known of any moderates trying to do that.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    “Violence is never the answer” types are just controlled opposition. Any and every peaceful protest that doesn't have the risk of escalating to violence can and is just ignored. Did those anti war protests against Bush II's wars ever amount to anything?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I'm inclined to agree. Unfortunately, a lot of moderators on lemmy and other sites have a very strong "no calls for violence" stance.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    We're just talking about history here. No one's calling for violence.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Like violence and threats in the past are okay, but never in the present?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    If you're inciting violent civil insurgency, you're a criminal in the present. If successful, you may be accepted, even celebrated, retrospectively. It's not a question of right or wrong, but of who is currently in power.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Violence is not the answer. Violence is the question. And the answer is "Yes"

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That reads like a Cave Johnson quote.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    how all the “violence is never the answer”

    Which is implicit support for covert, hidden violence. The stronger side, the government, the mafia have an advantage in that. The people have an advantage in open violence between the resistance and them.

    It just appears that a lot of people are like "I won't support violence until it's bad enough", well, how those dorks would know it's bad enough if when violence is unacceptable nobody can resist or raise their voice and it all remains silent until too late? You don't know when it's bad enough. You can live your whole remaining life thinking it's still fine, because all the worthy people have been killed\imprisoned silently.

    A citizen doesn't owe a state any reservation in citizen's demands. A citizen not having that doesn't hurt the society, quite the opposite. So if you feel that the situation demands reservation from you, for some supposedly good reasons, then it means it's very bad. All conflicts in life are too hard and require all your effort and you still often lose, so being reserved for some supposed moral rule without good explanation is not an answer, it's a scam, a Troyan horse, it means your are being deceived to give up without a fight. Probably that you already have.

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