cross-posted from: https://poptalk.scrubbles.tech/post/2333639

I was just forwarded this someone in my household who watches our server. That's it folks. I've been a hold out for a long time, but this is honestly it.

They want me to pay to stream content that I bought from my hardware transcoded also on my hardware.

I'll say it. As of today, I say Plex is dead. Luckily I've been setting up Jellyfin, I guess it's time to make it production ready.

Edit: I have a Plex Pass. More comments saying “Just buy a plex pass” are seriously not getting it. I have a Plex Pass and my users are still getting this.

And for the thousandth person who wants to say the same things to me:

  • YES I know I'm unaffected as a Plex Pass owner.
  • My users were immediately angry at it, which made me angry. Our users don't understand what plex pass is, and they shouldn't have to, that's why I had it. The fact that they were pinged even though it should have kept working is horribly sloppy
  • Plex is still removing functionality. I don't care that "People should pay their fair share". If Plex wants to put every new feature behind a paywall, that's completely okay. They are removing functionality.
    • "But they have cloud costs". Remote streaming is negligible to them. It's a dynamic DNS service. Plex client logs in, asks where server is, plex cloud responds with the IP and port of where server is located. That's it.
    • "Good luck finding another remote streaming" - Again, Plex just opens up an IP and port. Jellyfin also just opens up an IP and port (Hold on jellyfin folks I know, security, that's a separate conversation). All "remote streaming" is is their dynamic dns. Literal pennies to them. Know what actually is costing them money? Hosting all of that ad-supported "free" content that they're probably losing money on.

In short, I don't care how you justify it. Plex is doing something shitty. They're removing functionality that has been free for years. I'm not responding to any more of your comments repeating the same arguments over and over.

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[–] 224 points 1 year ago (110 children)

I never got the idea of selfhosting but paying (except for enterprise-grade support or donations) anyway.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    I run into you again! This time I get to wholeheartedly agree with you! You are spot on and nailed it.

    I use Plex for exactly the reasons you said because when I set it up I didn’t know anything about self hosting a media server and I wanted to share with family in other locations. I keep it because it’s so easy for my older, less tech savvy family members to access so I don’t have to be their support person for it.

    I’d consider Jellyfin if the end user access was more plug and play.

    The biggest thing about this is I don’t get why OP is so annoyed. If you have a Plex Pass you’re not impacted, you can still share and your users can still access your library for free, they can’t share with you without a Plex Pass but who cares.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    I’d consider Jellyfin if the end user access was more plug and play.

    It's about as plug and play as any other website. They just open the app, type in the URL, and log in with their credentials and...that's it.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I LOVE Jellyfin but can only imagine the amount of work I'd have to do if I tried to get my parents and in-laws successfully using it. We all just split the cost of lifetime Plex pass the last time it was on sale.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    can only imagine the amount of work I'd have to do

    Insert url. Insert login credentials.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Do you mean the Facebook thing? I tried to Google the internet from the Facebooks and it didn't work. I called Comcast and I told them the problem and now I have 400 TV channels. They took your computer box, said it was bad for security. Something about shredding it. Anyway, can you get the internet to Google for me?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago*

    You know all the certs and security and port stuff you need to do? Plex does that. You just download the app, point it at your folders with media, and you’re all set both at your home and beyond it.

    I am just gonna read your comment until here, Plex does shit if you are CGNATED, and as it is 2025 I suppose most users are, I still needed to expose through IPv6 with a reverse proxy, using a VPS or a VPN to access my Plex Server, so yeah, Plex hasn't helped me at all since many years ago with the noob friendly approach they have.

    EDIT: Oh and their relay feature is garbage, even for Plex Pass users, and I happen to be a lifetime one.

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  • [–] 60 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    For a good while, Plex was the only game in town that did the job well, and they put the transcoding feature behind the paywall.

    Given it wasn't that expensive for a lifetime pass a number of years ago (I remember it was cheaper than a game anyway) and they still seemed relatively user-centric at the time, many people like me felt like they were supporting developers building something that was useful to us.

    I still run my Plex server since it's not really costing me not to, but I've been running Jellyfin too for a little while and it more or less can do the same job these days

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    In the case of plex, it's not 100% selfhosted. There's a dependence on plexs public infrastructure for user management/authentication. They also help bypass NAT by proxying connections through their servers so you don't have to setup port forwarding and can even easily escape double NAT situations.

    I can understand paying for that convenience, but cost keeps rising while previously free features continue to get locked behind paywalls.

    Tbh, having users required to authenticate with plex.tv was enough for me to look elsewhere. The biggest reason to self host for me is to remove dependency on public services.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    With Plex, you're getting the easy ability to grant access to users. You get a single pane that can search across multiple Plex instances, and NAT traversal/port forwarding. Jellyfin makes you figure that out yourself.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    It's not exactly difficult if you use Tailscale or really any VPN. So I really don't see the value for the cost; if you're even considering self hosting a Plex server/instance, there's a list of basic knowledge you should have or learn (like what you mentioned).

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago* (12 children)

    Its not difficult for technical people like you or me, but my friend who just wants to watch their favorite show on my Plex on their TV won't know how to traffic engineer the traffic over a Tailscale network to my network. My mom won't be installing Tailscale on her laptop and phone.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I'm also not particularly happy with giving a bunch of people VPB access to my setup. Or other potential complications that come with that setup.

    I know enough to be able to lock it down, but I dont want the hassle. And other people will want it less.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Immich has a weird "buy a licence" model which literally does nothing.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    Immich, I believe, is linked to Futo. And Futo has a license model that's basically "if you like this app, and want to support the development, consider buying a license."

    Sounds like it might be similar with Immich.

    Better than "donate to this project", since a license seems more like the user is getting something out of it, even if it's basically a glorified donation 😂

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    When they monitor what you watch and who you share it with, it’s enshittified. Fuck Plex. I used to be a lifetime drum thumper. Stopped a few years ago.

    Plex doesn’t care about you, your comfort, ease. It wants your money and it wants to monitor and control what you do with your own data.

    Fuck. That.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Take HomeAssistant for example: you’re free to use it self-hosted, but as soon as you want to expose it securely through the Internet, there’s need for infrastructure that has costs, both in materials and labor. In HomeAssistant’s case, it’s NabuCasa that does it, and costs money, and helps fund the work of HomeAssistant’s developers.

    Having things free (libre) and open source is a blessing, but we have become used, entitled, even spoiled, to enjoy the work of very specialized people for free. That’s not always feasible.

    Another example, Zabbix, is totally open source and free, they only charge for support and training if you ask for them. It has worked for them for many years, but if they start to struggle with funding, I’d understand if they charged for it.

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