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submitted 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) by Bluegrass_Buddhist@hexbear.net to c/history@hexbear.net

I tend to rankle when people compare the colonialism of the last few centuries with the pre-capitalist expansion and settlement of ancient societies. It seems like there's a lot of daylight between the English founding Jamestown and ancient Ionians founding Massalia or w/e.

But what do Hexbear's historians think? Is it fundamentally the same social phenomenon across time or is capitalist settler-colonialism its own unique thing?

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[-] star_wraith@hexbear.net 1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

I had to deal with someone in my life who said something to effect of "if you're condemning modern colonization, why don't also condemn the Viking conquest/colonization of England?".

What I said to him was that while I don't know the specifics of that era, let me ask you... can you identify the continuing legacies of that colonization? Ongoing material problems? Can you point to how that still harms English people or helps Norwegians to this day? Pretty obviously, the answer is no. The viking conquest of the English coast doesn't really impact us today in a meaningful way. However, there are a whole host of very real issues that impact colonized people to this very day. So many problems that modern colonialism + capitalism have caused, and basically none have been made right.

The point about bringing up modern colonialism isn't to wag our fingers at the evil mayos (though that is fun). It's to highlight how the people there still are haunted by the effects. Kinda similar to how while as Marxists we may find the bourgeoisie to be immoral, ultimately our critique of capitalism lies in the system itself and not on the morals of individual actors.

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