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[–] 21 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Bibby has a weird definition for civilized I bet.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I think you'll find it's very, very typical historically.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Yeah, it's a little known fact, but civilisation was unambiguously shit until at least 1880. It's far better to be a starving hunter-gatherer than a starving peasant by just about every measure.

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